Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners?

[Blaine Borrowman]

Blaine:  When Jacob gave his blessings to Ephraim and Mannasseh, he gave the greater blessing to Ephraim, whom he said would be greater than his older brother.   In Biblical history, Ephraim was one of the two leading  tribes, competing with Judah.  The kingdoms of Israel and Judah were ruled by descendants of Ephraim and Judah respectively, those from the tribe of Judah being of the lineage of David.  The tribes led by Ephraim (the ten tribes) were "lost" as they were conquered and taken out of the land of Israel.  But several books have been written with evidence that they  were led into the Northern European countries. I believe many of the European "Gentiles" are of that lineage, especially the British.  The British flag shows both the Lion and the Unicorn.  The Lion has always represented Judah.  It is still the symbol for the nation of Israel.   Moses Mainamides, a Jew of the 14th century,  showed by pedigree that most of the ruling class of Europe descends from David, who was of the tribe of Judah.    The Unicorn is from a mistranslation in the Bible of the true symbol of the tribe of Joseph, which is the wild ox.  The two horns represent the two sons of Joseph--Ephraim and Manasseh.   England, I believe in particular has much of the blood of Israel in it.  The word "Saxons" is thought by some to be a corruption of the word "Isaac'sons."    Many of the fair people of Northern Europe probably are also of the House of Israel, including Denmark--where the tribe of Dan settled?  Just a little food for thought.    ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners? Figures the LDS would pick the Tribe that was rejected by God because of its IDOL WORSHIP! Hosea 7:4 Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned. Hosea 4:17 Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone. Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Blaine, if you are a descendant of American Indians, and considerself a descendant of Ephraim, you are barking up the wrong family tree! There is NO proof, either archaelogically or historically, that the American indians descended from ancient hebrews. That is Mormon folklore based on a work plaigerized by JS. If you disagree, then please give you pedigree, or "generations", from Ephraim to yourself. If you cannot, then I am afraid you are a liar. No, as far as I know, I am not a descendant of the House of Israel (but who knows? there were 10 lost tribes!). However, I am a child of God and a member of the Body of Christ, having joined in the New Covenant. My lineage does not matter with respect to my faith and belief in Jesus Christ. Perry >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners? >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:51:53 -0700 > >Blaine writes: Rabbi means teacher, right? Thanks for the compliment. >Since you asked about whether or not I am a child of Israel, I don't mind >answering--it is actually one of my favorite subjects. (:>) The answer is >. . . YES!! My lineage is of Ephraim, according to my Patriarchal >Blessing. I share this lineage with many Native Americans. How about >yourself? Are you of the Lord's ancient covenant people? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:57 AM >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners? > > > > Rabbi Blaine, are you a child of Israel? > > > >> > >From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners? > > >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:05:34 -0700 > > > > > >Blaine: The OT tells us we should keep the 7th day as a sabbath >FOREVER. > > >(Exodus 31:16-17 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the >sabbath, > > >to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual > > >covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever.) > > >Do you keep the sabbath on Saturday, the 7th day? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Kevin Deegan > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS! Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners? > > > > > > > > > Blaine writes: Kevin, how long is "everlasting to everlasting?" > > > > > > It is as long as the East is FAR AWAY from the West. > > > It is FOREVER > > > You could travel forever East & never start going West > > > Go back to everlasting go foward to everlasting that is ETERNITY > > > NO Beginning NO End > > > FOREVER & EVER ETERNAL GOD > > > God had No beginning he has No End! > > > > > > > > > > > > Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > Kevin wrote: The One & ONLY TRUE God of the Bible > > > Was ALWAYS God Ps 90:2 "from everlasting to everlasting, thou art >God" > > > > > > Blaine writes: Kevin, how long is "everlasting to everlasting?" > > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Kevin Deegan > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:11 AM > > > Subject: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim & Jehovah 2 sinners? > > > > > > > > > There are no direct quotes stating the 'god' of Mormonism was a > > >sinner. > > > It follows, if you follow the teachings to logical conclusions > > > Judge for yourself... > > > > > > Apostle Orson Hyde, "God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a > > >child, and mortal like we are, and rose step by step in the scale of > > >progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, > > >until He has arrived at the point where He now is" Journal of >Discourses > > >1:123 > > > Mortal means capable of Death. > > > W! hy are you mortal? > > > What did he OVERCOME? > > > > > > 1976 LDS manual "Achieving a Celestial Marriage, "... our Father >in > > >heaven was once a man as we are now, capable of physical death." p132 > > > > > > Apostle Bruce McConkie "The Father is a glorified, perfected > > >resurrected, exalted man who worked out his own salvation by obedience >to > > >the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same" A New >Witness > > >for the Articles of Faith, p 64 > > > To be resurrected this god must have DIED! > > > If he needed to work out his salvation he must have been LOST! > > > He must have been a SINNER, cause he was LOST & DIED. ("wages of >sin > > >is death" Rm 6:23) > > > Jesus did not work out his own salvation! > > > "Which of you convinceth me of sin? And ! if I say the truth, why >do > > >ye not believe me?" John 8:46 > > > > > > Apostle Bruce R. McConkie wrote, ". . .the process of gaining > > >salvation is one of cleansing himself from sin. . ." MD p 536 > > > Since the god of mormonism worked out his own salvation he must >have > > >cleansed himself from sin. > > > > > > A god who was once a sinner, struggled with sin, the world, and >the > > >devil. > > > These ideas are EXTREMELY REPULSIVE > > > The One & ONLY TRUE God of the Bible > > > Was ALWAYS God Ps 90:2 "from everlasting to everlasting, thou >art > > >God" > > > Is HOLY JUST & PURE, was never never ever a SINNER! > > > PS 111:9 "holy and reverend is his name" > > > > > > David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > Dear Blaine! and DaveH, > > > > > > Do you believe that Father God himself sinned in the past, and > > >that is > > > how he has knowledge of good and evil? > > > > > > Do you believe that Jesus Christ himself also has sinned in >his > > >past? > > > > > > Peace be with you. > > > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > > > > > ---------- > > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, >that > > >you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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