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Subject: [TruthTalk] arophobia: fear of
reason
> From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Blaine:
> Do you suppose these men who paid Judas 30 peices of silver
> (the price of a slave) were aware, along with Judas, that this was
> the Messiah they were doing away with? There is evidence they were.
>
> Judy:
> Where is this evidence? I just showed from 1 Corinthians above
> that neither Satan nor the people he used in executing his supposed
> plan knew what they were about.
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> **Blaine: I doubt they understood fully what the results of killing
> the Son of God would mean--but that they knew who he was there
> is little doubt. See the parable of the laborers in the vineyard,
> Matthew 21:33-45, wherein the laborers first killed the servants of
> the Lord of the vineyard, then killed the son, or, as he was called,
> the heir. The wicked laborers said, "This is the heir, come, let us
> kill him, and seize on his inheritance." And they caught him, and
> cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. . . . And when the
> chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived
> that he spoke of them.
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> Judy:
> They may have been paranoid and thought he was talking about
> them but their main concern was the people and who they were
> listening to. The scribes and pharisees referred to Jesus as Rabbi
> or teacher but only a few of them had any kind of spiritual insight
> Anyone who truly had a revelation about who he was bowed down
> and worshipped Him. The religious leaders never did this, they
> never did know that he was their Messiah.
>
> Judy
> Blaine:
> Do you suppose these men who paid Judas 30 peices of silver
> (the price of a slave) were aware, along with Judas, that this was
> the Messiah they were doing away with? There is evidence they were.
>
> Judy:
> Where is this evidence? I just showed from 1 Corinthians above
> that neither Satan nor the people he used in executing his supposed
> plan knew what they were about.
>
>
> **Blaine: I doubt they understood fully what the results of killing
> the Son of God would mean--but that they knew who he was there
> is little doubt. See the parable of the laborers in the vineyard,
> Matthew 21:33-45, wherein the laborers first killed the servants of
> the Lord of the vineyard, then killed the son, or, as he was called,
> the heir. The wicked laborers said, "This is the heir, come, let us
> kill him, and seize on his inheritance." And they caught him, and
> cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. . . . And when the
> chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived
> that he spoke of them.
>
> Judy:
> They may have been paranoid and thought he was talking about
> them but their main concern was the people and who they were
> listening to. The scribes and pharisees referred to Jesus as Rabbi
> or teacher but only a few of them had any kind of spiritual insight
> Anyone who truly had a revelation about who he was bowed down
> and worshipped Him. The religious leaders never did this, they
> never did know that he was their Messiah.
>
> Judy
**Blaine: I respectfully
(DavidH has taught me a few things) disagree. (:>) They
definitely were keeping their fingers on the pulse of the common folk, I have no
contention with that. But they did it because these folks were the source
of their power, wealth and social status. These men--scribes and
Pharisees-- were the ones who bought and sold in the temple, and were the
ones Jesus drove out on two different occasions. They clearly saw Jesus Christ
as a rival to their own control over the source (the people) of what they valued
most--money, power, status.
Their hearts were so much preoccupied
with these things, they rationalized to themselves they had cause against
him sufficient to kill him. Yet, as Jesus said, they "hated me without a
cause." If they had no cause, they must have therefore known who he
was.
But they chose to get rid of him
anyway, thus preserving their valued positions in the then current
socio-economic status system. Satan has power to tempt people to go
for the short-term goals in preference to the long term ones, and they often do
cave in. As Jesus said, "What does it profit a man to gain the whole
world, but lose his own soul." This is a good question, but the answer is,
people often do exactly that, and this is my whole point. These men
preferred the short term goal over the longer term one. They sold their
souls for a few pieces of silver, so to speak, just as did Judas Iscariot.
To use an experience I
had once with a woman who confessed she knew Mormonism was true--once having
confessed this, she nevertheless refused to be baptized, because, as she later
admitted, she didn't want to give up her alcoholic beverages, she didn't want to
have to pay a 10% tithe, and most of all she did not want to give up her friends
and family, who were all against her becoming a member of the LDS Church.
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hi Blaine:
> There is no reason against the Truth and the people knew Jesus spoke
> as one having authority and not like the scribes (Mark 1:22 and
> Matthew 7:29). It was not for "arophobia" that the Jewish leaders had
> him killed, it was for envy (that green eyed monster); this is what the
> scripture teaches. Pilate the Roman Governor was the one with civil
> authority and he was aware of this (see Matthew 27:18 and Mark 15:10)
>
> Judy
>
>
> From: "Blaine Borrowman"
> Blaine: The Jews were free to use reason to counter his statements,
> but chose instead to use their authority and influence to have him
> killed.
> This was an extreme form of arophobia, I would say.
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hi Blaine:
> There is no reason against the Truth and the people knew Jesus spoke
> as one having authority and not like the scribes (Mark 1:22 and
> Matthew 7:29). It was not for "arophobia" that the Jewish leaders had
> him killed, it was for envy (that green eyed monster); this is what the
> scripture teaches. Pilate the Roman Governor was the one with civil
> authority and he was aware of this (see Matthew 27:18 and Mark 15:10)
>
> Judy
>
>
> From: "Blaine Borrowman"
> Blaine: The Jews were free to use reason to counter his statements,
> but chose instead to use their authority and influence to have him
> killed.
> This was an extreme form of arophobia, I would say.
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> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
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