Blaine: I have to say I like my Jesus best. I don't see a lot of incentive to
worship your Jesus. He seems a little stingy to me. (:>)
Blaine: It is the nature of being a father to want his children to do as he says,
and to be at least as good as he is--maybe better. Why would Jesus
not want the same for us? Do you really conceive of him as being
the self-centered tyrant you portray, who just wants worshippers,
but to whom he denies the real riches he possesses?
and to be at least as good as he is--maybe better. Why would Jesus
not want the same for us? Do you really conceive of him as being
the self-centered tyrant you portray, who just wants worshippers,
but to whom he denies the real riches he possesses?
Balaam I mean Blaine, gain is not godliness!
1 Timothy 6:3-6 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. But godliness with contentment is great gain.
PS 84:10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
Some sold their souls for silver & gold what's your price?
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Blaine:
They clearly saw Jesus Christ as a rival to their own control over
the source (the people) of what they valued most--money, power,
status. Their hearts were so much preoccupied with these things,
they rationalized to themselves they had cause against him
sufficient to kill him.
Judy:
Is killing another human being ever a rational deed even when pre
meditated and planned? More likely it is something done irrationally
in the passion of the moment.
**Blaine By "rationaized," I mean they thought up excuses to do
the deed. Rational does not always mean reasonable. In Psychology,
to rationalize is to make excuses--it is considered an ego protective
device employed commonly to protect the self-concept from admitting
in reality, and thus endangering one's beliefs about himself as an
integrated personality.
Judy:
At times ppl are so deceived that they kill in the sincere belief
that they are doing God a favor.
Blaine:
Yet, as Jesus said, they "hated me without a cause." If they had no
cause, they must have therefore known who he was. But they chose
to get rid of him anyway ...
Judy:
I do not get the connection above. How is hating him for no apparent
reason proof that they actually knew who he was? They rejected his
teaching and would not believe him for his works sake. Only a few
of them such as Nicodemus who visited him at night with questions
understood and believed the rest had darkened hearts and were as
blind as bats. Understand that noone is able to come to Jesus
unless they are drawn by the Father so apparently these religious
men did not qualify.
**Blaine: If you won't take my word for it, maybe you will believe
Jesus.
Judy:
I don't take anyone's word for anything when it comes to spiritual
truth Blaine. Too much at stake. I've learned the hard way to get
before the Lord and check everything presented to me alongside
His Truth.
Blaine:
Again, I refer you to the parable of the laborers in the vineyard.
In the parable, the laborers (the Jews--Pharisees, scribes, etc.)
knew the heir (Jesus) was the son of the vineyard owner (God).
They killed him hoping this would enable them to retain control
of the vineyard ( the Jewish religious system, or the populace)
for themselves. thus preserving their valued positions in the then
current socio-economic status system. Satan has power to tempt
people to go for the short-term goals in preference to the long
term ones, and they often do cave in.
Judy:
I'm familiar with the parable in three of the gospels and I know
the religious leaders believed he had spoken it against them
but I am not convinced that they had any understanding they
just knew that he had spoken the parable against them. When
the disciples asked Jesus why he taught in parables, his answer
is interesting. See Matthew 13:13-16.
**Blaine: The Romans held political power, and socio-economic
power, but they conceded a lot of this power to the local leaders,
in this case, the Jewish leaders. They did this in most of their
occupied territories. It was easier to control the people. For the
same reason, the US wants to have Iraq controlled by Iraqis, if
possible.. The word "political" is derived from the same root word
as "police." Both refer to the power to enforce law and order.They
are not necessarily the same as social and economic power.
Blaine:
As Jesus said, "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world,
but lose his own soul." This is a good question, but the answer is,
people often do exactly that, and this is my whole point. These
men preferred the short term goal over the longer term one. They
sold their souls for a few pieces of silver, so to speak, just as did
Judas Iscariot.
Judy:
The outcome may have been the same but this was not a mental or
rational issue Blaine. These are spiritual realities - the Jewish
leaders
were full of religious spirits and rather than embrace the truth and
allow the truth to make them free they rejected the Lord of Glory
and chose to remain in their chains of hypocrisy and religious
bondage. Their system went down along with the temple.
**Blaine: I agree, especially with your word "chose." (:>)
Blaine:
To use an experience I had once with a woman who confessed
she knew Mormonism was true--once having confessed this, she
nevertheless refused to be baptized, because, as she later admitted,
she didn't want to give up her alcoholic beverages, she didn't want
to have to pay a 10% tithe, and most of all she did not want to
give up her friends and family, who were all against her becoming
a member of the LDS Church.
Judy:
The woman was apparently confused
**Blaine: Apparently? She didn't seem confused to me.
Judy:
but I can't grieve for her any more than for you and DaveH because
if you guys had a genuine revelation of the real Jesus you would
burn your books of Mormon, fall at his feet and follow him becoming
a sheep rather than a god, because He is in fact the Word of God, the
living Word, and the ONLY way to the Kingdom of God and eternal life.
**Blaine: I sometimes wonder that you cannot see that your Jesus
only wants you to be a sheep groveling at his feet, but my Jesus wants
me to be like him.
Judy:
You would call an act of worship 'grovelling?' Let's get real here....
Blaine:
It is the nature of being a father to want his children to do as he says,
and to be at least as good as he is--maybe better. Why would Jesus
not want the same for us? Do you really conceive of him as being
the self-centered tyrant you portray, who just wants worshippers,
but to whom he denies the real riches he possesses?
Judy:
I'm sure you must be describing what you have been taught by
the Mormon system is the Jesus that protestants worship Blaine
but I don't recognize the picture you paint at all. What self-centered
tyrant would humble himself and lay aside the glory he had with the
father to take upon himself a body of flesh for the sole purpose of
dying naked on a Roman cross so that you and I can be spiritually
free?
Blaine:
I would think such a Jesus would have to be somewhat insecure
to be that way. My Jesus, is, by comparison with the Traditional
Protestant Belief System conceptualization, a far more secure and
generous Jesus.
Judy:
If he is not the one who died on Calvary to set fallen humanity free
then he is a figment of someone's overactive imagination and will
do nothing other than waste your time and lead you astray.
Blaine:
I have to say I like my Jesus best. I don't see a lot of incentive to
worship your Jesus. He seems a little stingy to me. (:>)
Judy:
You say that because you don't know Him.
Judy
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