How could anyone believe in magic garments?
This is JUST ONE Account of the magic Talisman qualities, see more on the link:
>>Jo: I can't recall what happened to cause the accident but an accident happened and the chopper went down. His co-pilot died. Our friend sustained 2 broken legs, several other injuries that were not life threatening and he was burned over a large percentage of his body.
>>Jo: Here's where the religion will conquer the science. This is a devout Latter-day Saint and having been endowed, wears the temple garment. Anyone who knows as much as you do about our religion knows that we believe it to be a protector so long as the wearer remains faithful to their covenants. This brother was burned so badly over such a large part of his body except where his temple garments were. Explain to me, Larry, how that is?
>>Jo: Here's where the religion will conquer the science. This is a devout Latter-day Saint and having been endowed, wears the temple garment. Anyone who knows as much as you do about our religion knows that we believe it to be a protector so long as the wearer remains faithful to their covenants. This brother was burned so badly over such a large part of his body except where his temple garments were. Explain to me, Larry, how that is?
How come you did not know this Blaine? Or are you trying to fool us again?
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon143.htm
I realized that Mormonism was phony many years ago, but like you I was troubled with occasional guilt for the first couple of years. A good example is how I first felt about not wearing temple garments. All my life as a TBM kid I had heard about how the temple garments provide physical and other protection based on our temple covenants. Anecdotes are circulated among TBMs about the miraculous protective powers of the temple garments. So I was really a bit worried when I stopped wearing the garments, even though reason told me that Mormon temple worship was the most ridiculous, transparently false system of worship imaginable. I still had that voice programmed into my head by Mormonism that was telling me that I would now be unprotected and on my own without the garmies. The voice of Mormonism told me that God wouldn't do anything to protect me after showing such disrespect for his sacred garmies.
I heard it myself from the owner of the marriot hotel chain:
The April 1996 episode of "60 Minutes," San Francisco 49er quarterback Steve Young told interviewer Mike Wallace that he chose not to wear his garments when on the playing field. Some might think that in playing such a dangerous position Mr. Young would best be served by putting them on (especially in light of his injury-plagued 1996 season). Bill Marriott, on the other hand, told Mike Wallace that the garments do in fact offer protection. The owner of the Marriott hotel chain then related a fantastic story how, when he was in a fiery boating accident, his garments protected him from being burned.
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Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine: Noone ever said sacred underwear would be a protection in the same sense as being righteous--But,I don't understand why you are even concerned about the underwear I wear, Kevin? Are you just trying to be offensive, obnoxious, or what?The following is conjecture only, but you might want to read it for what it is worth. When Ham uncovered the nakedness of his father, Noah, Noah laid a curse on him that was to be passed on to each succeeding generation. This seems like some kind of major over-reaction, does it not? If Ham had simply gone into Noah's tent and pulled the bed covers off him, and thus exposed his naked body, I see no reason why such an incidental act would elicit a curse upon Ham. Men see each other all the time nowadays, in dressing rooms, restrooms, etc., and it is no big deal. I doubt it was much different then, especially considering they had been in such close quarters together in the Ark for such a long time.In the Book of Jasher, it suggests Ham not only uncovered the old Patriarch's nakedness, but stole his underwear!! Apparently, this underwear had been passed down to Noah from father to son beginning with Adam, and was nothing more nor less than the original coat of skins made for Adam by the Lord to cover his nakedness. As such, this underwear was a much coveted item, one which Noah may have wanted one of his other sons to inherit, as a symbol of the birthright to be given to the chosen son, in much the same manner as Jacob was chosen over Esau, and Isaac was chosen over Ishmael. In this case the underwear were probably intended for Shem, whom many believe was AKA Melchizedek, or King of Salem. But Ham was jealous, so when he found opportunity to do so, he stole these underwear, and passed them on to his eldest son Cush, who in turn passed them to Nimrod, his favorite son, who was the king who built the tower of Babel. The Book of Jasher suggests that Esau obtained this undergarment when he killed Nimrod, and thus returned the garment to the birthright family--as Esau was a son of Isaac and a grandson of Abraham. When Esau sold his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of soup, he relinquished these sacred garments to Jacob--who then became the father of the covenant race. One well known Mormon writer has even suggested this garment was the coat of many colors given to Joseph--the term "coat of many colors" being a mistranslation of words that meant a garment that still had the smell of the flowers of the Garden of Eden upon it. As I said, this is all conjecture. Not doctrine. But it makes sense to a Mormon, since the undergarment worn by Mormons represent the coat of skins given to Adam by the Lord in the Garden of Eden, to cover his nakedness. This would also suggest a secondary reason for wearing the garment--to symbolize oneself as being a member of the birthright covenant people--although I don't recall any authority in the church stating this. Mormons do consider themselves to be mostly of the tribe of Ephraim, son of Joseph, however, and certainly Joseph was Jacob's favorite son, and the one he considered to be the birthright son.-----From: Kevin DeeganSent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 7:38 AMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Graven imagesPaul the Apostle tells us toPut on the whole armour of God...Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:Does the LDS version add "last but not least put on your Royal Underwear"If the Temple garments really are an "outward _expression_ of an inward covenant"Why not wear them on the outside?Where does the Bible tell us about Holy Underwear?Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Blaine: LOL What magical powers?----- Original Message -----From: Kevin DeeganSent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:09 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Graven imagesBlaine: the problem with graven images has always been that sooner or
later, people get (got) around to worshipping them and ascribing living
qualities and magical powers to them.Does that mean you do not accept the magical powers ascribed to LDS undergarments?
Blaine: the problem with graven images has always been that sooner or
later, people get (got) around to worshipping them and ascribing living
qualities and magical powers to them. This gave the priests of such images
power to make up new rules, and doctrines such as sacrificing children,
committing whoredomes, etc., which was the real problem, more than the image
itself.
Moroni is no threat along these lines, because a) we do not ascribe living
or magical powers to the statues, and b) we do not worship them. The
statues are simply there to remind us synbolically that the scripture in the
Book of Revelations concerning "another angel" flying in the midst of heaven
having the everlasting gospel to preach to all nations, kindreds, tongues
and people was fulfilled when Moroni (the angel) appeared to Joseph Smith a
number of times, and event! ! ually committed to him the plates from which the
Book of Mormon was translated. The BoM is believed to contain the
everlasting gospel in its original purity, as believed in and practiced by
the early saints.
By the way, what about the crosses most Christian Churches have? Are these
not "images" of things on earth? Yet you don't seem to worship them ,
although some people seem to ascribe magical powers to them, as they wear
these symbols around their necks. Is this correct? Some beliefs even go so
far as to assume the crosses themselves can ward off evil spirits??
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Graven images
> Blaine and DavidM,
>
> Can help me to understand the following?
>
> Exodus 20:4 states the second of the commandments: " Thou shalt not make
> ! ! unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven
> above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the
> earth."
>
> Now, on every LDS temple I have seen there is a gold statue of Moroni on
> one of the spires. Doesn't this violate the "any graven image, or any
> likeness of any thing that is in heaven above" part of the second
> commandment?
>
> If not, why not. Isn't the statue a "graven image", or "likeness"? Isn't
> Moroni "in heaven above"?
>
> Thanks,
> Perry
>
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