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Kevin wrote:
SAVED BY YOUR MONEY �Behold, now it is called today until
the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day for
the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his
coming.� D&C 64:23.
Thanks kevin, I was going to look this up, but you
took the words out of my keyboard. Now, consider the poor widow who threw
into the tithing coffers of her living, not of her excess. The Lord
commended her for this, and said it took great faith to do
that. Paying money, a sacrifice, is a legitimate measure of one's true
commitment and faith. If you haven't tried it Kevin, don't knock
it. But again, I encourage you to try it, you might like it!! I have
found the Lord really looks after you financially and spiritually if you keep
this simple law.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:15
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom
Come
BLAINE Your report made it seem as if Mormons are under a great
deal of pressure to pay their annual 10% tithe. I don't think there is much
pressure, other than that of individual conscience, to pay tithes or other
contributions.
Pressure? NO Pressure. Pay up or Jesus is gonna burn you up!
SAVED BY YOUR MONEY �Behold, now it is called today until
the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day
for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his
coming.� D&C 64:23.
Yea, it shall come in a day when there shall be churches
built up that shall say: Come unto me, and for your money you shall be
forgiven of your sins. (Mormon 8:32)
Jesus is a money grubber? This is NOT the God of the Bible! My God
owns the cattle on a thousand hills, he does not need your money. He is the
well spring of ALL our needs. He is our supply.
Is it a TITHE or are you just paying DUES
in Spanky's clubhouse? Are you on the Family plan or individual
membership?
For years, Presidents of the Church have talked of and prayed for the day
when tithes and offerings would qualify members for
full participation in the Church
LDS have an unpaid Clergy?
And the elders or high priests who are appointed to assist the bishop as
counselors in all things, are to have their families supported out of the
property which is consecrated to the bishop, for the good of the poor, and for
other purposes, as before mentioned; Or they are to receive a just
remuneration for all their services, either a stewardship or
otherwise, as may be thought best or decided by the counselors and bishop. And
the bishop, also, shall receive his support, or a just remuneration
for all his services in the church. (D&C 42:71-73)
And if ye desire the glories of the kingdom,
appoint ye my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and uphold him
before me by the prayer of faith. And again, I say unto you, that if ye desire
the mysteries of the kingdom, provide for him food and raiment, and
whatsoever thing he needeth to accomplish the work wherewith I have
commanded him; (D&C 43:12-13)
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up.
I see now it is not a matter of pressure.
It is just whether you are WORTHY or not!
BLAINE God has said through his living
prophet that if you are tithed at his coming, you will not be burned.
Besides whatever else tithing may be, it is good fire
insurance.
Where did he say this?
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004
6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom
Come
BLAINE Your report made it seem as if Mormons are under a
great deal of pressure to pay their annual 10% tithe. I don't think
there is much pressure, other than that of individual conscience, to pay
tithes or other contributions.
Again I find info that is directly contrary to what you
say. I am not sure I can trust you anymore.
Blaine: To Kevin-- The questions you
listed below are part of the routine when asking for a temple
recommend--note I said ASKING? People want something like a temple
recommend, they ask for it. They expect to meet the requirements,
or they wouldn't ask. It is a matter of prioroties and
choice, not pressure or compulsion.
Tithing
is one of the questions, but not the only one. There are also
questions relating to health, conviction, honesty, virtue, morality,
loyalty--would one feel pressured by these questions? If you want
a blessing, you have to pay the price. It is like if you want some
money, you gat a job--no pressure, no compulsion, you can always live on
the street and the charity of others--provided you enjoy doing that, but
if you want the money, you have to go beyond that level of living.
Likewise, if you want to go through the Lord's house and partake of his
blessings, you have to pay the price. You have to
give up licentious behavior, smoking, drinking, stealing, lying,
cheating on your wife/husband, abusing your kids, etc.
and start making a real commitment to the
Lord's Kingdom on earth and your own spiritual well-being, which amon! g
all those other things, includes shelling out from the
ol' pocketbook. Nothing like a little sacrifice to prove
you are in earnest, huh? God has said through his living prophet
that if you are tithed at his coming, you will not be burned.
Besides whatever else tithing may be, it is good fire
insurance.
Here are the questions from the Temple reommend:
Five of the questions are about the CHURCH! Do
you believe and obey the CHURCH. Maybe one is arguably about God. Why so
much Church?
Why not call it a CHURCH recommend?
Why do you have to PAY a FULL TITHE to be a GOOD CHURCH
member?
Blaine:
Because we live in the real world, Kevin, not your tradition-bound world
where all you have to do is give a little lip service to God and you are
forever saved. You show your faith by your works in our world,
Kevin.
1. Do you believe in God, the Eternal Father, in his Son, Jesus
Christ, and in the Holy Ghost; and do you have a firm testimony
of the restored gospel?
2. Do you sustain
the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator; and do you recognize him as
the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood
keys?
3. Do you sustain the other General
Authorities and the local authorities of the Church?
4. Do you live the law of
chastity?
5. Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of
your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the
Church?
6. Do you
affiliate with any group or individual whose teachings or
practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted ! ! by The
Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints, or do you sympathize with the precepts of any such
group or individual?
7. Do you earnestly strive to
do your duty in the Church; to attend your
sacrament, priesthood, and other meetings; and to obey
the rules, laws, and commandments of the gospel?
8. Are you honest in
your dealings with your fellowmen?
9. Are you a full-tithe payer?
10. Do you keep
the Word of Wisdom?
11. Have you ever been divorced or are you now
separated from your spouse under order of a civil court? If yes, (a) -
Are you current in your support payments and other financial obligations
for family members, as specified by court order or in other written,
binding commitments? (b) Were there any circumstances of transgression
in connection
with your divorce or separation tha! ! t have not been
previously resolved with your bishop?
12. If you
have received your temple endowment -- (a) Do you keep all the covenants
that you made in the temple? (b) Do you wear the authorized
garments both day and night?
13. Has there been any sin
or misdeed in your life that should have been resolved with
priesthood authorities but has not?
14. Do you
consider yourself worthy in every way to enter the temple and
participate in temple ordinances?
out of 14 questions;
1 has to do with God
7 have to do with CHURCH and CHURCH
AUTHORITY
6 have to do with Good works
My calculations work out thus
the LDS faith is
7% God
43% good works
50% CHURCH
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