Judy wrote > Just contributing something
different for consideration.... since you may be reacting to the "faith"
movement where ppl are taught to have faith in their faith Mr. Bill.
I don't believe from what I've read from Terry that he is one of these.
Terry?????
I say > It's fine to contribute, Judy, do that
to your hearts content -- but I'll put words in my own mouth, thank you
very much. No, I was not thinking of the "faith" movement here. If you'll look
at what I did say, you'll see it is quite the opposite of that. Indeed, I said
what I wanted to say, and that was that maybe there is a way of looking at
salvation such that it lets Jesus Christ be the object of it all.
This is hardly faith in faith. Where did you come up with something like that?
Did you even read what I said before starting in on me? I thought we had gotten
beyond that stuff.
Since you included Martin Luther in one of your
other posts, I'll do the same here. Luther said that "faith" is like eyes. Eyes
do not create what they see; they see what is
already created. Faith does not create salvation; it sees
the salvation already created in Christ Jesus.
Bill.
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From: "Judy Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] The Passion of the
Christ
> Terry wrote, "We are not saved by being inerrant. We are saved by
> faith."
>
> I say, at the risk of alienating myself from the friends I have, I would
> like weigh in on this one. Maybe it is not our faith that saves us - but
> Christ in whom we have faith.
>
> jt: If we have the right kind of faith then it is the faith of Christ,
> after all it is He
> who is both author and finisher of same.
>
> wt: It was the object of our faith who lived, died, rose again, and
> ascended to
> sit next to his Father. We are in him now, as he mediates and sanctifies
> our
> poofahs.
>
> jt: Without faith it is impossible to please the Father who calls an
> unbelieving
> heart evil... How can we be sure we are "In Him?"
>
> wt: So wonderful is it to know that we are saved by him! I fear that when
>
> the emphasis shifts from Christ to the Jesus-and-me of modern
> Christianity,
> then what becomes finally important is 'my faith,' 'my decision,' 'my
> conversion,'
> and not really Christ himself.
>
> jt: Is it totally out of the ballpark to take responsibility for oneself?
>
> bt: Please don't take any of this the wrong way. I know that I am bucking
> against the goads here. If I'm all wet, then shake me off or toss me
> towel.
>
> jt: Just contributing something different for consideration.... since you
> may be reacting to the "faith" movement where ppl are taught to have
> faith in their faith Mr. Bill. I don't believe from what I've read from
> Terry that he is one of these. Terry?????
>
> judyt
>
> God allows the devil to raise up heretics
> to make his people study
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