1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times SOME shall DEPART from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Not all just some.
Seems to me JoE was a prime candidate for this.
He joined & left the methodist church
he was seduced by a "angelic" spirit being
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> If I may add a comment, there is a difference between reformation
> and restoration. The protestant movement was a reformation...JS'
> movement was a restoration. I see them as quite different.
DAVEH: I understand that, Perry. I'm trying to figure out why they
went with a reformation instead of a restoration. Seems like the Bible
suggests there would be a restitution (restoration) of all things,
rather than a reformation. Wouldn't it have been more Biblical for the
Reformers to think in restitution/restoration terms? Is there Biblical
evidence to suggest a reformation?
> Luther thought the church had gone astray,
DAVEH: Yes.....That seems like a perfect reason to suggest an apostasy
had taken place in/by the RCC. I'm surprised the Reformers did not
consider such.
> and reformed it to correct doctrinal error. JS thought the church had
> totally apostatized, so totally resored it. I dfon;t think the two can
> be compared.
DAVEH: I wasn't trying to compare them. To me the restoration makes
perfect sense from the Biblical evidence of an apostasy, and subsequent
restitution. Yet the Reformers evidently didn't see it that way, but
rather preferred to consider that the RCC folks simply strayed a bit and
needed some reforming instead of restoring what was lost.
>
> I agree with Luther (in that the church had gone astray, and that
> reformation was due),
DAVEH: Since you agree with the early Reformers, then perhaps you can
answer my questions about it......assuming you understand what I'm
asking. Forget about JS for a moment.....And consider the RCC folks.
Do you think they just had some bad doctrine that evolved over the
years? Or.....do you view them as apostates from the Primitive Church?
And, if they were Apostates....then wouldn't a restoration have made
sense from the Reformers' (or your) perspective? If not, there must be
some Biblical reason you/Reformers did not think a restitution is/was
necessary.....
> but not JS.
DAVEH: Listen Perry.....I understand that few TTers have any sympathy
for JS. I'm not trying to promote him in TT. I'm not asking you to
believe him or his teachings. But, my curiosity is certainly biased by
what I know and believe about his teachings....forgive me for that.
What interests me though is what reasons (Biblical) you (and Protestants
in general) believe the way you do when it seems so odd to me. I hope
that makes sense. For instance, I see the Bible speak about a falling
away (apostasy) and the need for a restitution (restoration) of all
things, and it fits into my theological and Biblical inclinations. I
hear your thinking about the RCC having some skewed doctrines that
needed reformed, and then the Reformers making some minor
changes.....and I don't see that in the Bible. It is not that I'm
trying to hit you over the head with this.....I'm just trying to figure
out why you see it your way when I see it another way and we both are
viewing it from a Biblical perspective.
>
> Perry
>
>
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