Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

[Kevin Deegan]

Well Judy you know how those that are headed there always want to remodel first.

Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

My fellow TTers,

I don't think it is as cut and dried as some of you are suggesting.

I am aware of what was said concerning Judas. I believe those Words

ask of us an interpretive task: How do we reconcile the limited things

we know about the Judas event with the greater narrative of Christ?

 

jt: How does one misinterpret "the son of perdition?" We are told in

Hebrews 12:27 that Esau who did something similar found no place

of repentance though he sought it with tears.

 

In my mind it still goes back to Christ, Who do you say that he is?

Is Christ's calling of Judas greater than Judas' betrayal? 

 

jt: Many are called, but few are chosen.  Let's not put our own

preferences into the text. Letting God be God is not proof texting.

 

Maybe these questions are bigger than proof texting can adequately

address. I'm glad I peaked your interest. A really satisfying study on

this very subject is Ray S. Anderson, The Gospel According to Judas:

Is There a Limit so God's Forgiveness? (Pasadena: Fuller Seminary, 1994).

 

jt: Not when we humble ourselves, come to the throne of grace, and

ask him to forgive us in Jesus name. However, forgiveness is a gift

which we have no record that Judas ever received.

 

The bottom line as I see it is this: There is no good reason for not

believing in Jesus Christ. Yet for no good reason some will refuse to believe.

And they may go to hell who refuse him. But we ought not point to God for

this. The only way humans can perhaps change the destiny provided them

in Christ's finished and perfected work, is to finally refuse their adoption in

Christ. This grounds reprobation not in God's will but in our own. This

"mystery of iniquity" does not originate from above; it finds its source

and ground down here, somewhere close I fear, somewhere very close

to home.

 

jt: Or in the second heaven.

judyt

 

God allows the devil to raise up heretics
to make his people study

From: Judy Taylor

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:55 AM

Subject: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The only thing that sends Judas to hell,
then, is Judas, if indeed Judas finally rejected Jesus Christ.
That's how I read it. Bill

John:  Looks like a tie.   Bill is right.   We individually bear

the responsiblities for our sins.   Our demise, if in fact that is

the case, is our fault.   But judyt is correct also.   According

to Jesus, Judas did not make it.   He could have   --- but

apparently he did not.  Contribition that leads to suicide is

confusion, not confession (confess to one another so that

you may be healed). John

 

jt: Judas did confess to the sanhedrin that he had betrayed

'innocent blood' and he tried to give back the 30pcs of silver

It wasn't enough. He should have dealt with God. Too early

to go to the throne of grace in time of need but he could have

come to the temple with a sin offering.

 

judyt

 

God allows the devil to raise up heretics
to make his people study
 

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