MADNESS !!
Participating in tt has driven you mad, I say !
Flee ! Fly away ! Run for your life ! Perhaps there's still hope for
you !
vincent j fulton
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:15:31 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I just consulted the stars and, well, good news and bad. The bad news
> is,
> they said you are not going to get a job, in any field, because
> you're not a
> farmer [:>( The good news is, you might get one somewhere else
> {:>)
>
> hehe
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:20 AM
> Subject: [TruthTalk] astrology
>
>
> >
> > Astrology is testable? Here's a test: I was born on Dec 20,
> 1950.
> > Predict for me when I will find a job. For bonus points, tell me
> in what
> > career field that job will be.
> >
> > vincent j. fulton
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:32:11 -0700 "Blaine Borrowman"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Blaine: This has nothing to do with my Mormon upbringing, but I
> beg to
> > differ with your statement,
> >
> > " Astrology is not science. They make observations, but they have
> no
> > > theories to explain the universe or any part of it. Their ideas
> cannot
> > be
> > > tested.
> >
> > Anyone familiar with the subject of astrology will tell you much
> > research has already been done. For instance, the Rosecrucians
> did
> > elaborate research on the relationship between astrological sign
> of birth
> > (sun sign) and longevity. This is definitely testable, and in
> fact the
> > results were rather astounding--women born in the sign Gemini
> > consistently tended to outlive women born in any other sign, and
> the same
> > with men born under the sign Taurus, with Gemini men coming in a
> close
> > second. For both men and women, Sagitarrius was the shortest
> lived sign.
> >
> >
> > I believe I could also show that certain signs favor certain
> others in
> > choosing marriage partners--or friends. This would be a simple
> test, and
> > not hard to design an experiment using all of the known
> statisical
> > methods familiar to scientists.
> >
> > Your comments actually show your almost total ignorance of the
> subject of
> > Astrology--I could say much more, but will suffice for now.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Science needs math, but math doesn't need science.
> > >
> > > Mathematicians and theologians both can and often do start
> with
> > > premises which they find interesting but are not necessarily
> rooted in
> > > the real world, then they follow out the logical implications of
> those
> > > premises. The analogy breaks down in that theologians'
> conclusions can
> > be
> > > tried against God's truth as revealed in the bible, but there's
> no way
> > > that I know of to check the conclusions of mathematicians.
> > >
> > > Astrology is not science. They make observations, but they
> have no
> > > theories to explain the universe or any part of it. Their ideas
> cannot
> > be
> > > tested. They cannot tell the future as they claim to do. They
> cannot
> > > explain peoples' personality quirks as they claim to do.
> Astrology is
> > to
> > > astronomy as professional wrestling is to the olympics.
> > >
> > > vincent j. fulton
> > >
> > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:49:57 -0500 "David Miller"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > writes:
> > > > Vince wrote:
> > > > > Theology is more like math than science
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. Math is the language of
> > > > science.
> > > > Without math, science cannot do what it does. Maybe you can
> > > > elaborate
> > > > on what you had in mind when you said that theology is more
> like
> > > > math
> > > > than science.
> > > >
> > > > Vince wrote:
> > > > > you start with an assumption or set of assumptions,
> > > > > regardless of how much they do or do not seem
> > > > > to reflect a real-world situation, then you derive
> > > > > conclusions from those assumptions.
> > > >
> > > > Interesting. I'm not trained in theology, but it sounds like
> you
> > > > are
> > > > saying that theology does not care how much the assumptions
> they
> > > > make
> > > > fit the real world? Is that really what you meant to say?
> > > >
> > > > All disciplines of study, whether theology or science, make
> > > > assumptions
> > > > and reason from those assumptions.
> > > >
> > > > Science reasons from the premise that Truth can be apprehended
> only
> > > > through the physical senses. Theology maintains an
> additional
> > > > assumption, that we can gain knowledge through the spirit.
> > > >
> > > > Vince wrote:
> > > > > Astrology is founded on fairy tales, superstition, etc.
> > > > > To those who accept the basic premises of astrology,
> > > > > that heavenly bodies have some sort of influence on
> > > > > peoples' personalities and the events which occur in
> > > > > peoples' lives, it's easy to believe the stuff pumped
> > > > > out by astrologers. It makes sense to those who believe
> > > > > the basic premises.
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying that there is no foundation at all for
> astrology?
> > > > Doesn't Gen. 1:14 say, "let them be for signs..."? Doesn't
> Daniel
> > > > 6:27
> > > > and Acts 2:19 affirm this also? Wasn't the birth of Christ
> marked
> > > > with
> > > > a star?
> > > >
> > > > I do not believe astrology is right for the believer in
> Christ, but
> > > > I
> > > > think you go too far to say that astrology is founded only on
> fairy
> > > > tales and superstition. I think Blaine would disagree too.
> :-)
> > > > You
> > > > are presenting a belief from your own culture and value system
> which
> > > > is
> > > > rooted in objectivity and materialism.
> > > >
> > > > Vince wrote:
> > > > > Astronomy is, like all of the hard sciences, based
> > > > > upon the scientific method. Observation with quantified
> > > > > measurements of tangible things like mass, temperature,
> > > > > speed, etc. Brainstorming / dreaming / imagining a
> > > > > hypothesis. Making logical predictions based upon that
> > > > > hypothesis. Experimenting to test those predictions.
> > > > > Confirming or denying the validity of the hypothesis
> > > > > based upon the results of the experiments. Reproduction
> > > > > of the experiments and results by other scientists.
> > > > > Peer review of the final package.
> > > >
> > > > You may not realize this, but astrology also proceeds along
> these
> > > > paths.
> > > > They observe the heavens, calculate positions, and they
> correlate
> > > > it
> > > > with events on earth. So what is the difference?
> > > >
> > > > Well, one philosopher has suggested that astrology attempts
> to
> > > > modify
> > > > their theory such that eventually their theory becomes
> > > > unfalsifiable.
> > > > Astronomy, on the other hand, has followed a method called
> "Strong
> > > > Inference" whereby they disproved theories and constructed
> new
> > > > hypotheses which they also attempted to falsify. So the idea
> is
> > > > that
> > > > progress toward truth is better made when we construct
> hypotheses
> > > > that
> > > > are potentially falsifiable and then attempt to falsify it.
> The
> > > > underlying thinking here is that it is much easier to
> demonstrate
> > > > one
> > > > disproof to dismiss an erroneous idea rather than an infinite
> number
> > > > of
> > > > proofs to try and bolster an idea.
> > > >
> > > > Peace be with you.
> > > > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
> > > >
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> that you
> > > > may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians
> 4:6)
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