RE: [TruthTalk] astrology

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Blaine, I believe that astrology is of the occult. Do you? I do think you have a valid point, however, that God made the heavenlies, and He can use them to give signs, such as the Zodiac formations. Pastor James Kennedy did a big series on that subject (and took severe criticism from the Church of the Rigid and Uptight Believers for it, too.) How does the astrology that you believe in differ from the Chinese horoscope? How can both of you be right? Isn’t it bad enough to be a mormon, AND an astrologist? J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blaine Borrowman Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 12:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] astrology   Blaine:  The stars fortell, but do not compel.  God Knows us, and what choices we will make, but we need to make them nevertheless, and thus prove all things, in order that God may alone be glorified.  There is no evil in reading the stars, but only evil in thinking they compel us.  We are indeed free by way of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the sure foundation.  Few if any men nowadays can accurately read the stars well enough to be certain what is written there.  Inspiration is needed, and if that fails, then we are left unto ourselves.  The Magi were not just astrologers, but wise and holy men of God, who listened to the promptings of the spirit, which is the only real key to reading the stars.    ALL things testify of Christ--even the stars.  Take Venus, the bright and morning star at times,  but the evening star at other times.  Sometimes it is neither, as it cannot be seen because it has moved behind the sun.  It signifies the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, as it moves from being the evening star, to being unseen, to being "born again" as the morning star.  As Jesus said, "I am the offspring of David and the bright and morning star." (Rev 22:16 Also, look up some evening and see the Big Dipper--it has seven stars in it, and they all point to the fixed star, called the North Star.  As the earth turns on its axis, the Big Dipper appears to revolve around the North Star, which itself never appears to move. The seven stars signify the seven churches of Asia (Revelation, chapter 1), or, in other words, the Church!  The North Star, which never moves, signifies Jesus Christ.    ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] astrology   From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmmm, can you give me your exact time and place of birth?  I can't predict much without being able to place your sun, moon and planets in houses with reference to your rising sign.  You were born with the Sun in Saggitarius, Moon in Taurus, Mercury and Venus in Capricornus,  Mars in Aquarius, Jupiter in Pices, and Saturn in Libra.    You might want to consult astrology books on those placements yourself.  The problem with astrolgy nowadays is that it has no central school or authority, much like the traditional Christian religion.    jt: Of course it does.  Astrology is part of the lie and it's central authority is the father of lies.  Christianity's authority is the Lord Jesus Christ who is presently seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven.   This means anyone who wants can presume to be an authority on the subject-- even worse, there is no "Bible" or Book of Mormon to go to for settling disagreements.   I personally believe in ancient times it may have been a real science, at least in sense that it used math and only pretty smart men were able to read it.    jt: Must have been "deceived" smart men.   Let's face it, the astrologers or wise men from the East in Christ's time were able to employ it to locate the Lord's place and time of birth.   There is evidence the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob used it, and taught it to their children   jt: Where do you find this evidence? I've studied scripture for a long time and all I've ever seen is God's warnings and cautions against it. It's a good way to inherit the curse rather than blessing.   How did it get started? It's actual origins seem to have been lost in the dim past.  It may have originally been given to man as a revelation from God, but  has obviously become corrupted, and consequently today is looked upon as a despicable psuedo-science.      jt: It is idolatrous and heretical with men looking to the creation for answers rather than to the Creator.  Also it locks people into certain personality traits - when God sent His own Son (before the foundation of the worlds) to make them free.   judyt