John you may as well be talking Swahili here in your
middle paragraph, believe me God can get results without all that - are you any
better off for it? God does not consider our faith to be righteousness if
it has no corresponding actions. Remember Abraham was willing to
sacrifice the child of promise on Mt. Moriah? We not only 'consider
ourselves dead to sin' we walk it out. Paul said "I die
daily" Bill it was not necessarily you who said the thing about God
remembering our sins no more. I knew it was someone on TT and here it is.
John is of this mindset (see below). I'm happy to say that
with a few minor adjustments I'm with DavidM and Brother Elsman
- a part of the New Creation in Christ.
judyt
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Wow. I come flying back home in my
Silerado -- going to hook up with Bill's post of this morning and
BAM (I think I have used that word before , today), I have all this stuff from
Miller. David Miller. A good guy. A works
salvationist? I don't think so. But, hey, I will answer some of your commits as time permits.
Your remarks above: actually all first year greek grammars present the kind of verb ending(s) I used in my post. (I have Summers and Mounce on my shelves). I am kind of startled that this would be an issue. Not that I am always right (an admission I can freely make on this list because my children do not read these posts). Because participle endings are similar makes little difference to me. These are not participles. Present indicative active gives us activity WITH NO END IN VIEW. That does not mean the action is on going but it can mean that -- and very often does. With that admission, I guess I am allowing a works theologian to go his own way. Do you have reference material that condemns "my" application of the greek tense? I don't think so. But if so, I certainly can change my mind.
I am going to close this post and see what others have said. No doubt this is somewhat of a surprise to others on this list as well. Maybe I don't have to do all the talking.
BUT, in closing, David, let me say this: stark raving and absolute sinlessness is a consideration in the mind of God -- not an actual event in our lives. God CONSIDERS our faith to be righteousness. Paul tells us to CONSIDER ourselves dead to sin (Ro 6:11) -- he tells us that because it is already a fact in the mind of God. "He remembers our sins" no more is a consideration on the part of God. I think lance said it was unilateral and something or other .... sorry Lance. I'll have to look it up.
Anyway ... I am going to read the mail first and then, hopefully, do some serious thinking about BillyT's post.
Later
John
