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Lance: An
underlying anger towards MEN particularly EDUCATED MEN.
I, with you thank
God for your Dad and men like him. Did you only go to the 4th grade.
jt:
No I was more educated than my father-in-law but ignorant as to what
counted
in
life when I met him.
Do you recommend
all to cease formal education at that level?
jt:
No I think formal education is fine in it's place, when it becomes an idol we
have
a
problem.
You seem to equate
GODLY EDUCATED MEN as espousers of doctrines of demons.
Right/Wrong?
jt:
Where do all these doctrines come from? Doctors of the Church? Don't
forget
the
rcc had the scriptures chained to the pulpit for centuries with the common
folk
having no access to them.
Don't fear or be
angry with those (men or women) who demonstrate a greater facility
in interpreting
God's Word than you.
jt:
Greater facility in interpreting God's Word? I don't think so. If
this were the case
there
would not be as much division, error, sickness and disease - why is the
Church
walking around dressed in the curse? Where are the blessings? When God's people
returned from Babylonian captivity and Ezra read God's Law to them it
caused them to
fear
God and repent. Not only for their sin but also the iniquity of their
fathers.
(No, I don't count
myself among them) Along with being a teacher (you are) be a
learner (you sort
of appear to be ever so reluctantly) No, I don't consider myself
to be your or
anyone'es teacher. Lance
jt: Anyone who claims
to be there is deceived. We are all learners
and there is one
Master...
Lance:I've known more smart women than men over
my rather lengthy life,
including my wife so, please include women.
jt: How many big thick doctrinal
books have you seen or do you know of
that are written by
women?
Strictly guessing, I'd say that a high percentage
of believers globally, though
"smart" are not highly educated.
jt: God does not demand a high
education. This is why he sent the Holy Spirit.
The Old Covenant depended on the
Levitical Priesthood to lead the people.
Under the new covenant we have
One Lord and the rest of us are brethren.
Only today we see ppl building
their own kingdoms, setting themselves up on
the platform in highbacked chairs.
Maybe not so in Canada but it is here.
They apparently apprehend enough through God's
Word to participate the "life"
I guess that's a resounding NO! There are no
"plusses" necessary.
jt: Glad to see you say that Lance.
My late father in law was one of the godliest
men I've known with only a 4th
grade education. At his house the only book you
would find was the Bible and he had wisdom; he was
stable, honest, caring, and
he understood God's creation
without a formal education; people in the community
respected and honored
him.
However whether "smart" or "unsmart" people do
mishandle the Word of God on
occasion wouldn't you agree? Lance
jt: Oh! All the time but I don't
see the problem as semantics... we have the same
problem as Israel in spite of all
that has been written. We give God lip service
while our hearts chase after what's
around us in this evil and perverse generation.
God judges us by cutting off our understanding...at which
point we can either
repent and return or keep on with our stiff necked stubborn
rebellion. He will
not spend eternity with a bunch of devils, cross or no
cross. We have a heart
problem. It's our
choice. jt
Lance: Through not
in, the Bible. Yes, to He who is Truth embodied. Lance
jt: You will need to explain a
little more Lance, are you saying it is the Bible plus smart
men?
From: "Lance Muir"
"No more than a pretext to put
forth erroneous ideas.
Appeal must be made beyond all
Biblical, all ecclesiastical citations to the Truth of
God Himself.
For that (He) is the supreme authority to which (whom) all
must submit and all must rely.
Ultimately it is by reference
to That truth that judgement must be passed upon the truth and error
of
our interpretations or
formalizations (dogma/doctrine/beliefs growing out of Scripture
itself).
jt: As Pilate said "What is Truth?" First we
must define it and then recognize it when we find it.
Can we agree that Jesus is the person you
refer to above? and that Jesus is the "supreme authority"
and that He is the one who judges between
"truth and error?" Where do we find His Truth then?
Where do we learn from Him?
From: "Lance Muir"
Denotative vs Connotative.
What is primary is NOT the syntactical
comparison of Scripture with Scripture but
the semantic or
the denotative reference..beyond to God
Himself.
This is how we TEST THE INTERPRETATION
OR DOCTRINAL FORMULATION
by tracing back our thought to its source in
the reality known. Or, otherwise put:
We refer everything to God and nothing to
ourselves.
We have to let ourselves be so radically
called into question as to be stripped of
all our presuppositions and
prejudgements.
IT IS IN THIS ULTIMATE TRUTH OF GOD THAT
AUTHORITY RESIDES
AND NOT IN THOSE WHO INTERPRET IT NOR IN ANY
SET OF
RULES OR METHODS OR DOCTRINES THAT WE MAY
BRING TO
OUR INTERPRETATION OR FORMULATION.
The truth itself anf not any formulation of
the church's understanding is
the criterion of true knowledge. More if
anyone's interested Blessings, Lance
jt:
What if we read and study the KJV Bible
which uses 8,000 words and is on a
10th grade level which is easy to understand? Why
would semantics even be an issue?
SO THE HOLY SPIRIT DID NOT INSPIRE ANY
OF OF GOD'S PROPHETS?
FOLK - BELIEVE THAT AT YOUR OWN PERIL
.....
I never listen
to Discouragers. They are never Holy Spirit inspired.
Izzy
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