Izzy, et al, remember the warning I gave regarding a comment Barr made about your marriage --  ""Don't bite on this one  ... " or words to that effect?   Elsman is the elder of this band of thugs.  This is the way they fight  --   they just make up stuff and hope it ruins your day.  This coming from a man who claims holiness as his _expression_ of faith.

John



n a message dated 5/3/2004 8:35:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In a message dated 5/3/2004 11:21:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

material.  Lest we forget, DavidM has good things to say about Elsman  -  a man who dispises Miller and treats him like a step-mom.

John



JOHN,
          YOU ARE A TROUBLE-CAUSING LOSER THAT DIVORCED AND GOT KICKED FROM PASTOR -LIFE AFTER 14 YEARS AS A SENIOR PASTOR.  YOU NOW ARE A COMMON WORKMAN, PLAYING WITH PRIVATE COUNSELING AT NIGHT.
            THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU, AND YOU DON'T EVEN GET ALONG WITH YOUR SONS. YOU ARE AN OBVIOUS GLUTTON, CONFESSING TO A WEIGHT OF 270 POUNDS ON A 5 FOOT FRAME.  LOW SELF-ESTEEM.
            DAVID MILLER AND I ARE OLD FRIENDS AND SHARE MOST OF THEOLOGY.   WE ARE BOTH WELCOME AT EACH OTHERS HOMES, AND HAVE SOCIALIZED IN THE PAST.  YOU ARE A LIAR AND TROUBLE-CAUSER.
           OF COURSE, WE LIKE TO DEBATE.
                ---ELSMAN


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