[TruthTalk] No limits on TT

[Judy Taylor]

David writes: Izzy, I hope you do not misunderstand me, but speech like this tends to push me over toward Elsman's side of thinking that TruthTalk perhaps ought to be men only.  What I mean is that it seems like you are asking for the list to be feminized.  Let me give you an example using children.   You know how children only understand so much.  Suppose we had our children around us all the time, and when we had a church service, for example, we did not allow any sermons that children could not readily grasp.  Suppose we did songs that the children were especially responsive toward.  You know, songs like "Father Abraham" with all the hand motions and stuff like that.  Anyway, if we "chidrenized" the meetings, that would not be a good thing.  Many subjects would be off limits for study, because they would be too advanced for the children.   Talk like you offer above seems to suggest that we must be sure not to allow any kind of out of order speech or aggressive behavior that might offend the ladies.  I think you know that I agree very well with you that language needs to be clean and that the particular speech you are talking about was out of order for men of God.  Nevertheless, if our interest is in protecting the women on the list and making sure that none of them are in the least bit troubled, then aren't we kind of feminizing the list and making it something that cannot rise above what women would allow it to be?  Wouldn't this be a violation of the order that God set down in Torah, that man would rule over woman?  Aren't you kind of proving the point of men like Daniel and Elsman when you insist on being protected?   jt: Excuse me David... Men Lording it over women as stated in Genesis is not an order from God. It is a statement of fact. This is just how it is with men who are carnal, unregenerated, and following the prince of the power of the air. The spirit that works in the sons of disobedience.  They had just opened their hearts and lives to him so this was going to be the fruit of it for women.  In Christ however, all should be reversed for both men and women.  Why do men like Daniel, Elsman and now you hold so fast to the rule of men over women.  Are you all that insecure?   It seems to me that the very instruction of "let the women be silent" is directly toward this kind of situation.  In other words, when the speech gets rough, don't kick out the women to protect them (men only list), neither silence the men lest the women be offended, but rather let the women be silent and let the men hash it out.  The women can raise their objections or questions at home with their husbands in such situations. What do you think?   jt: Don't think so fellas .. the admonitions having to do with speech are for both men and women. Taming the tongue is major so why would anyone who is in the process of being sanctified and conformed to the image of Christ want to make for themselves opportunities to let their "supposedly dead" stinking old carnality loose?  Help me understand.... judyt