Re: [TruthTalk] While we snooze

[Lance Muir]

Izzie:Rush watches 60 minutes. It MAY be cowardly not to repent of wrong done by you (America). I'm not a liberal. And, once again you just seem to 'come to life' over matters political. You 'pronounce' on politics while you 'defer' on theology. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 17, 2004 07:23 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] While we snooze Lance,    Only LIBERALS watch or take seriously anything on 60 Minutes.  As usual, the Liberals only have �Bad News�, which is why they are so impotent when it comes to improving the world. Being from a Canada, you might not be aware that during a time of war soldiers are usually kept in service until the end of the conflict.  How many soldiers were sent home in the middle of WWII ?  Allied assistance �currently available is insufficient� because everyone leaves the hard dirty work to America, as cowards often do.  This makes it more difficult for America, but certainly not by any means impossible with God�s help.   As for your points at the end: Well, duh.  Right you are. You are obviously clueless about how fervently Christians in America are praying! http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org.   Typical Liberal answer: �Talk about World Peace.�  For the past 56 years America has not only been trying to facilitate �talk� about peace between Israel and her Arab neighbors, but has been simultaneously protecting the Jews from total genocide.  This actually required lots of money and guns and planes, etc, which I am sure is offensive to you. But thanks for the suggestion that we �discuss reconciliation�. As David Miller said, you must get much more specific here, also, as this is just more vague liberal gobbledygook. Duh, again. You assume this is not being done because you assume that only those with your viewpoint are hearing God. Of course we should all walk in holiness.  Often this means we will be strong militarily, as well as spiritually, as a nation. Otherwise we would all be like the French, who prefer to surrender than to even protect themselves (except with Napoleon, who was Sicilian.)   Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] While we snooze   Did you see the opening segment of Sixty Minutes II last evening? The freedom to leave the service at the end of one's term has been abrogated.   You have too few (500,000?) troops engaged in too many existing or potential conflict zones. Reinstating the draft is a possible but, unpopular move.   The financial, political and emotional capital being expended may be unsustainable over time.I speak here of Iraq, Afghanistan and, the 'war on terrorism'. Any repeat scenario,  similar to Sept 11th, could stretch these 'resources' beyong the breaking point.   The 'allied assistance' currently available is insufficient. Other nations, at this time, will not enter the fray and continue to criticize US actions in the middle east.   The nature of the war being waged by the terrorists is low cost, low tech, low in expenditure of manpower and, sustainable for an indefinite time period.    These terrorist cells are being funded and trained in places virtually beyong your reach. It would appear that the magnitude of the conflict will increase not decrease.   The UN is largely impotent when it come to altering the will or religious fervor underlying the 'Jihad'. Germany and France, along with others have chosen to opt out.   I believe that the Crusades may be one of the underlying causes for what is happening now, as I believe that some of the 'philosophy' of Augustine is responsible for the errant thinking concerning God prevailing today. My point here being that analysis needs to be more than superficial.   So, what might one suggest as to a possible solution or, course of action? 1. Two pronged warfare: natural and supernatural. I do believe that there may be 'spirits' involved in this 'religious' conflict. 2. Discuss the reconciliation of Ishmael and Isaac 3. Repent for wrongs done by the 'West' on the 'rest' for centuries. 4.Prayer. Seek the 'mind of God' in these matters. We know what we would do. We need to know what God wants done.  5. On a personal (community) level we need to be 'living' this truth we 'talk'.    This is just a 'sketch'. I'd appreciate hearing responses of a more 'serious' sort.   Lance From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 16, 2004 19:18 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] While we snooze   In a message dated 6/16/2004 10:42:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, Lance dear--are you about to exhibit presumptuousness? Why yes, I believe that I am. How is this conflict truly winnable? US must declare it's own Jihad on the Muslim 'world'. Kick the people out who 'ought not to be in your country'. Shut down the boarders.  Ratchet things up by a factor of  ten. Take and hold the oil fields in Saudi Arabia.(much much more left unsaid) Evil must be taken on with sufficient force to destroy it! Now, did that 'relativist' Canadian actually say this? He did. I have a lot of respect for you and your opinions, Lance.   On this particular discussion, I am not in agreement  -- but open to suggestion.  Let me ask you and even Jonathon this question (and an involved question it is):   Over the past 17 years we have lost over 4300 persons to the Jihad   ---   all pre Iraq, all without justification.    As it turns out, the 9-11 move was the first of a number of larger offensive attacks  --  none of which were/are the result of provocation (they were and have been planned prior to Iraq, as well)  -- what specifically would you do to counter these Jihad Muslims   --  our liberals (here in America do not have a clue   -  at least I haven't seen anything as of this writing.)   Your choice?   To argue the "all without justification" phrase or give an answer. a brother, John, author of the "The Gospel According to John smithson"