RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone

[Jonathan Hughes]

Unfortunately you missed Lance’s point.  It is saying that your view of God (as exemplified through your post on the number of storms lately) is abhorrent.  Let me explain.   I am a father.  I have a 2 and a half year old son named Noah.  Now imagine that I beat him around the head a bit.  He goes to the hospital and they diagnose Noah as being deaf due to repeated blows.  The question is: what kind of father would you think that I am if this story was true?  There are few examples that would display a worse father.  Now, you believe that God sends storms to kill and maim people and cause massive devastation in order to get them to repent.  Let me quote you:   BTW, I thought about this and I want to add that I still believe that God can be sending a message about a need to repent from sin (individually, or statewide, or nationwide) when He allows such devastation.  Especially when there are 3 hurricanes in 3 weeks! We should all take it to heart, and should all pray for repentance on our part and mercy on His. Izzy   It is called divine child abuse and it is sick.  God is not sending storms to punish unbelievers.  Storms are a natural function of a contingent world.  What may be beneficial in this conversation is to talk about how your viewpoint probably stems from an incorrect (and highly damaging) view of the atonement.  What happens to Jesus on the cross?  Was God murdering His own Son to appease some inflamed sense of justice?  Does the brutal death of Jesus somehow make God’s anger at sin go away?  I would suggest that this view of God is perhaps the single largest cause of depression in the Western world today.  A worldview that begins with the Fall of man ends in death.  A worldview that begins in the heart of God, slain before the foundation of the world leads through the Fall and into life.  This is gospel; this is good news.   Jonathan   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone   Your parents, obviously, never spanked you.  Too bad. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:How To Get Someone's Attention/punish someone   Hit them up side the head with sufficient force to break their eardrum. Then, go to the other ear. Then, move on to other parts of their anatomy. This may be carried out following bad behavior. It may or may not alter their behavior. It will gain their attention I assure you.   This is a metaphor.