RE: [TruthTalk] Who to Vote for, and WHY?

[Hughes Jonathan]

Show me where I trashed president Bush?  Quote it.  Show me where I trashed America.  Quote it.  Otherwise stop the lies.  You are aware that everyone sees through your smokescreen?  Read through the thread.  I posted an article with several verses backing up several issues that may or may not be influential in determining who one should vote for.   I trashed your pretensions, not Bush, not America.  If there is a bigger lie that you continually spout off more than this one I don't know what it is:  If you say anything critical about Bush, you must be a liberal and you must be against America.   Jonathan Hughes    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who to Vote for, and WHY? Sorry you feel that way, Jonathan. IÂll bow out so you can try trashing President Bush and America with everyone else. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who to Vote for, and WHY?   Because you are fake.  You pretend to be one thing and preach a nice party line but when it comes to facts you always come up short or run away with a one-liner hoping you got in the last word.  You malign anything even remotely liberal and yet are unable to discuss why.  If someone points out your obvious lies and fallacies you cry that you are being insulted.  Anyone that points out your many inconsitencies and lack of wanting to find out the truth is just lumped into the 'liberal' category.  I am tired of it.  This is a discussion group.  Either discuss, back up what you say or stop posting garbage.  Don't hide behind your 'I have the Holy Spirit', 'You don't' lies. Jonathan Hughes    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who to Vote for, and WHY? Why do you feel compelled to insult me when I try to avoid arguing with you? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who to Vote for, and WHY?   I am just waiting for you to use your God-given mind.  A real conservative would find you embarrassing. Jonathan  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who to Vote for, and WHY? Jonathan, I am just waiting for the Holy Spirit to work in your heart in this realm of politics. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who to Vote for, and WHY?   Izzy in a tizzy.  Shall I understand your answer to be that you will not discuss the issues in light of the Bible?  Should our Christianity infuse our politics?  Is this an area of life that Christ cannot touch?  Does Christ only infuse conservative politics?  Is God a Republican?  Is it not worthwhile looking at our ideas and opinions in light of the Word? Jonathan Hughes     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Who to Vote for, and WHY? LetÂs change our name to ÂPoliticalTalkÂ??? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Who to Vote for, and WHY?   What is below is taken from www.sojo.net.  Please read it and discuss.  Based upon the criteria below who should you vote for?  Shall we take each issue below and see who is the best candidate?  Is anyone willing to discuss the issues?   "It is the responsibility of every political conservative, every evangelical Christian, every pro-life Catholic, every traditional Jew...to get serious about re-electing President Bush." - Jerry Falwell, The New York Times, July 16, 2004   "I think George Bush is going to win in a walk. I really believe I'm hearing from the Lord it's going to be like a blowout election in 2004. The Lord has just blessed him.... It doesn't make any difference what he does, good or bad." - Pat Robertson, AP/Fox News, January 2, 2004     These leaders of the Religious Right mistakenly claim that God has taken a side in this election, and that Christians should only vote for George W. Bush. We believe that claims of divine appointment for the President, uncritical affirmation of his policies, and assertions that all Christians must vote for his re-election constitute bad theology and dangerous religion. We believe that sincere Christians and other people of faith can choose to vote for President Bush or Senator Kerry - for reasons deeply rooted in their faith. We believe all candidates should be examined by measuring their policies against the complete range of Christian ethics and values. We will measure the candidates by whether they enhance human life, human dignity, and human rights; whether they strengthen family life and protect children; whether they promote racial reconciliation and support gender equality; whether they serve peace and social justice; and whether they advance the common good rather than only individual, national, and special interests.   We are not single-issue voters. We believe that poverty - caring for the poor and vulnerable - is a religious issue. Do the candidates' budget and tax policies reward the rich or show compassion for poor families? Do their foreign policies include fair trade and debt cancellation for the poorest countries? (Matthew 25:35-40, Isaiah 10:1-2) We believe that the environment - caring for God's earth - is a religious issue. Do the candidates' policies protect the creation or serve corporate interests that damage it? (Genesis 2:15, Psalm 24:1) We believe that war - and our call to be peacemakers - is a religious issue. Do the candidates' policies pursue "wars of choice" or respect international law and cooperation in responding to real global threats? (Matthew 5:9) We believe that truth-telling is a religious issue. Do the candidates tell the truth in justifying war and in other foreign and domestic policies? (John 8:32) We believe that human rights - respecting the image of God in every person - is a religious issue. How do the candidates propose to change the attitudes and policies that led to the abuse and torture of Iraqi prisoners? (Genesis 1:27) We believe that our response to terrorism is a religious issue. Do the candidates adopt the dangerous language of righteous empire in the war on terrorism and confuse the roles of God, church, and nation? Do the candidates see evil only in our enemies but never in our own policies? (Matthew 6:33, Proverbs 8:12-13 ) We believe that a consistent ethic of human life is a religious issue. Do the candidates' positions on abortion, capital punishment, euthanasia, weapons of mass destruction, HIV/AIDS-and other pandemics-and genocide around the world obey the biblical injunction to choose life? (Deuteronomy 30:19) We also admonish both parties and candidates to avoid the exploitation of religion or our congregations for partisan political purposes. By signing this statement, we call Christians and other people of faith to a more thoughtful involvement in this election, rather than claiming God's endorsement of any candidate. This is the meaning of responsible Christian citizenship.   Jonathan     This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. 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