I understand where you're coming from; I see prophecy as predictive as well and I think God was telling the mother that the younger boy was to be as the firstborn... not because deceit would accomplish this, but because it's part of the overall plan of preferring the underdog.
I place the blame of deceit on Rivkah, for it is written, "Two nations are in your womb... and the older shall serve the younger." She took it upon herself to assure God's plan came to fruition when she said "Now therefore, my son, listen to me as I command you... you shall bring [two choice young goats] to your father, that he may eat, so he may bless you before his death." Jacob didn't want to perform this task for he said, "Perhaps my father will feel me, then I will be as a deceiver in his sight, and I will bring upon myself a curse and not a blessing." Rivkah said, "Your curse be on me, my son; only obey my voice, and go, get them for me." -- slade -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 06 November, 2004 09.34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Grammar & Worldview vs. the Spirit >From our point of view, prophecy is the prediction of the future. For God, it is the observation of the future for He can see it as clearly as He does the present or the past. Does prophecy tell us that Jacob is the "rightful" owner or is it giving us God's view of the future. That it will happen is different form that it should happen, if you see what I am saying. And what is the point? Jacob and his mom did not see this as his irthright -- that is why deceitful measures were taken. Do we have a circumstance, here, in which God has made some kind of pronouncement about the birthright (if so where) and Jacob et al have decided to "help" God out .... if, in time, God would have arranged this transfer apart from lies and deceit? ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
