----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 4:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands
If the Levitical Priesthood is no longer relevant than why do we need Jesus as our High Priest? And if we are no longer supposed to do the feasts why are we going to be doing them in the Millenial Kingdom? Also, if we consider ourselves adopted sons and daughters of Christ why don't we have to follow the House rules?
Following the Law is not a thing that we do to earn our salvation! We follow God's Law because we love him and want to obey him. John 14:15- If you love Me, you will obey my commandments. Jesus quotes the Law all the time. Also, John 15: 9-11- Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you ; abide in my love. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commands and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be complete.
Knowing and believing Moses and the Prophets is a must. Luke 16: 27-31: When the rich man asked to have someone warn his brothers to believe, Jesus told him that they had Moses and the Prophets and that his brother should hear them. v. 31- But he said to him, "If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.
John 5:46-47- For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?
Matthew 5:17-20 tells exactly what Jesus came to do in reference to the Law. "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."
I John 2:3-6 explains how we know that we have come to know Christ. "By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; but whoever keeps His Word, in Him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
Suzy
--- Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:45:54 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, The point "It is finished" on the cross was that Jesus died to do away with Sin; which is the opposite of doing away with the Law, because sin is defined as "lawlessness". I John 3:4, Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and [Rom 4:15; 1 John 5:17] sin is lawlessness.
What do you consider "the Levitical Law"? If you are talking about Talmud, I agree-it is not scripture. God's laws are scripture and as such, as you have eloquently stated, will never be done away with. Izzy
Judy responds:: I agree with the above Izzy - The Levitical Law has to do with the Levitical Priesthood and the animal sacrifices, feasts, and everything having to do with the earthly temple and it is explained in Hebrews 9 and 10. This and the Talmud are no longer relevant according to my understanding. Judyt.
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I don't believe God's moral law has gone anywhere - It is the Levitical law that was nailed to the cross because it has been completed in Christ. We no longer need Levitical priests, we have a Great High Priest who sits on the right hand of God the Father in the heavenlies. What point do you believe I have missed that has to do with the cross? Judyt
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:14:45 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, If you think "It is finished!" referred to God's law you have missed the whole point of the Cross. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Hi Izzy & all, Thank you for asking. I'm not very often stuck for words but these 613 Commands along with reaction on TT to the death of Arafat have left me (momentarily) speechless. To begin with I can't see any wisdom in resurrecting Levitical Law which was nailed to the cross when Jesus cried "It is finished!" In Galatians Paul tells us that adding Jewish law to the finished work of Christ will cause one who began in the Spirit to "fall from grace" - so how did we get here??
As for the demise of Arafat .. the wisdom of God says "Because I have called, and ye refused. I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; but ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would have none of my reproof; I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; when your fear cometh as desolation and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me; for that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord; they would have none of my counsel; they despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices..For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them..."
True, it's not God's will that any should perish but Arafat made his own bed, and he lived by his own rules. I certainly don't envy his end but agree with Izzy that the world is better off without him. George W. may not meet the expectations of some but at least he was not deceived by that evil little man and refused to invite him to this country so long as he was involved with terrorism. What a chaotic funeral that was .. and now the search for the billions he has siphoned and hidden.
Judyt
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:26:07 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, we haven't heard from you since Monday. I hope all is well. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
The late Pinchas Lapide once said: "The 'Old[er] Law' remains, the New[er] Testament does not bring any New Law but applies the old[er] in light of the fulfillment of all salvation history. Even in the Sermon on the Mount, Yeshua brings no new Law, but shows how in each situation, the Old[er] Law is to be fulfilled radically in view of the Kingdom of God which is immeasurably close."
jt: The Kingdom of God is here. Jesus introduced it .. remember? He said "But if I cast out demons by the finger of God then the kingdom of God has come upon you" (Luke 11:20). The Church is supposed to be doing the same works today and is in some quarters...
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