RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

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Again, how about a book review,Lance? Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 4:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup   A book to review:'On The Road To Armageddon-How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend' Timothy P. Weber, Baker, 2004 (An excellent overview of the growth of dispensationalism, a branch of premillennialism, and dispensational end-time predictions in America-- ----- Original Message ----- From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 06, 2004 05:46 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup   A few years ago, the Baptists (who seem to have a special love for the Jewish people and the nation of Israel) sent teams of missionaries in the "shtelels of Chicago" to witness to and save the Jews. Unfortunately AND fortunately there was not much success that year. You see, the theology shared by Baptists excludes them from effectively witnessing to the Jewish people without savagely hurting their sense of Mishpocha (family). No [generalized] Jewish person would accept a Messiah who disbands with Torah. The Midrash (A Jewish commentary on the Hebrew Bible) says that Messiah is so important that is He tells you to disobey a command, you are to do it. This is not saying, as you would first guess, that the Messiah is able to disband with Torah. Instead, it's saying that if the Messiah is telling you to disobey a command of Torah, it's because your understanding is so skewed, you are actually disobeying it in your attempt to obey!   Gary asked "any follow-up to it you wanna post now." I would like to answer that question, and I will attempt to maintain a state full of grace and truth. There are [at least] two things I've learned regarding Avraham's covenant in the last few months. (1) He did not receive the covenant until after he was declared righteous because of his belief (I know that may be a no-brainer for most but I never 'noticed' the implications before). That's when WE gain the covenant as well... when WE believe. Sometimes understanding that faith comes before action and that obedience to Torah comes after life-changing emunah/faith is like trying to understand the Hebrew concept of the non-static, dynamic action-oriented verb "to be." (2) The covenants made with the Children of Israel, the Davidic Covenant, and the [Re]Newed Covenant are expansions of the three aspects of Avraham's covenant.   As a closing note, G-d is not a Conservative Jewish man with two sets of dishes (one for Jews and one for Gentiles). He eats cheeseburgers (beef+cheese, Jew+Gentile). He doesn't deal with one type of person (Jews) first and then deal with another type (Gentile). He has them both simultaneously. One G-d, One House, One Faith, One Rule, One People, One Baptism (the noun), Multiple Understandings.   Thank you, John, for your wisdom.   -- slade -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup How close will we become?  Not as much as either of us would hope but much more than any of us can imagine.   That is the way of God,  is it not?  a brother and a friend John