RE: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor

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In a message dated 12/15/2004 8:28:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I repeat, John—Jesus said Judas was lost.  You can toss out all the definitions you want, but you know what Jesus meant.  Izzy Actually I don't.   I have never studied the issue.   I am not saying you are wrong  --  I am saying that "lost" does not mean "lost."   The biblical message is not that simple.  If it were,   all honest people would agree.    But there is much much more to this business of spiritual growth than meets the eye.   You know that !! John   John, wake up. Did you ever sing Amazing Grace?  Remember the words, “I once was lost, but now I’m found,”? What did that mean to you? Izzy