Re: [TruthTalk] TOE revisited

[Judy Taylor]

jt: You may say so (tongue in cheek of course) but one would have to be totally blind not to have seen the transformation as it took place before our eyes... and you are the main source of books and CD's promoting this peculiar mindset.   On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 16:21:47 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PS Judy, what a profound insult to the Bishop, I am not worthy to carry his trane as he ascends to the perch from which he pontificates. From: Lance Muir I do not mind you asking why I stay. No, that is not why. jt: Do you mind if I ask why you stay Lance? Is it to proseletyze John?   On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:47:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Bless you, Judy. I have no doubt about that whatsoever. jt: Oh! Then if that is so TT does not exemplify Linda's incorrectness, only the "incarnation camp" would do that. I have no problem with James 1, in fact I go to God for wisdom myself continually.   On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 13:28:57 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Exactly who is TT? You and, the other participants. jt: Lance do you really believe that you are unevasive and are better at answering questions than Linda or myself? You are prolific with words but who can understand them? What does "as TT exemplifies" mean? Exactly who is TT?   On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:10:01 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Clear enough even for one as 'thick' as myself. However, as TT exemplifies you are quite incorrect. We are reading the same forum aren't we?   Izzy writes: Lance, if you have questions for me, please ask them specifically.  Scripture is not �self-interpreting�; as scripture has no self.  Do I read and understand English? Yes.  Has the Lord given me His Word translated into English? Yes.  Do I receive the words of scripture with a heart opened by the Holy Spirit? Yes.  When I have questions about the meaning of such do I ask the Holy Spirit to lead me to correctly understand? Yes.  Does He promise to do so in James 1:5? Yes. Does He follow through? Yes Izzy    James 1: 5But if any of you (N)lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.   Lance responds: You could start by reading the book of Ecclesiastes. Further, as both yourself and Judy are even more evasive (question-answering wise) than Lance this a of m. will you attempt to answer the questions I put to Judy. Further, though I believe Judy thinks that Scripture is self-interpreting, may I ask if you do?   Izzy responds: Upon what scripture do you base that belief? Izzy   Lance pronounces: They are mind/brain/consciousness + a package of chemicals. That's allllll folks.   Izzy asks: Lance, Humans are �One� what??? Izzy   Lance writes: I've always admired the research 'tools' used by David & yourself. This would be an excellent opportunity for you to employ them. Many, Judy, believe as you do on the nature of HK..(one, bipartate, tripate) I allign myself with 'monism'. God is One and we are One. Thus endeth the lesson ('til you engage in some linguistic homework) jt: Can you show me your foundation or basis for these emphatic pronouncements about humankind Lance?   Lance writes: HK is a living, while breathing, soul. HK does not HAVE a soul but IS soul.HK is not spirit nor do we possess A spirit. May I, preemptively, suggest that on this very important topic, language (original) matters. Hebrew 'monism' is our template here. Paul, in no way disagrees with this.   Slade writes: Essence "Spirit, Soul, Body (Triune Being)" has nothing to do with he "Us" in the Creation narrative. Essence has nothing to do with God being "One." jt: Of course it does Slade. God is Spirit and Man is spirit; being made in His image is what differentiates mankind from the animals.     The Hebrew text (as a rule) deals strictly with action,i.e., verb forms as opposed to static "To Be" forms. For instance, Echad (One) in Deuteronomy 6:4 is a VERB. -- slade   jt: How IYO would the above change the fact that God is Spirit and so is Man?