Lance writes: Plato via Plotinus through Augustine into the way of
seeing for some.
Aristotle via Aquinas into the way of seeing for
others. The effect of
ancient Greek philosophy/philosophers on the
Christian thought of some is of
great, great importance. It reflects
PAGANISM writ large. It is present and
it is harmful!
> From: Pete
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 December, 2004
19.54
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Hebrew Mindset
>
>
> 2. In eschatology, there is the idea that there is no heaven
we
inherit,
> > but that this earth and what is here and
observable with the physical
> > senses is all there is to
reality. The promises of God are all viewed
as
> >
belonging to earth and only the literal earthly fulfillment is in
view,
> > much like the Jehovah's Witnesses share in their
eschatology. Of
course,
> > as with monism, not all
Hebrews viewed it this way. The Pharisees are
an
> >
example of a sect of Hebrews who were more like the Greeks in their
way
of
> > thinking. As you know, the Greeks got their
views about the immortality
> > of the soul and the existence of
angels and monotheism (One God) from
> > Plato. Rather than
the seen world being what is real, it is the unseen
> >
world. Remember Plato's talk of "forms"? Early church fathers
like
> > Justin Martyr argued that Plato got his views from
Moses.
>
> > The interesting thing here is that the early
Hebrews often considered
> > their culture to be superior to that
of others. They had pride in the
> > fact that they were
descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We see
> >
similar tendencies expressed here from various members on this list
who
> > think that anything other than the ancient Hebrew mindset
is sure to
fall
> > into deception and gross
misunderstanding. The feeling that the Hebrew
> > mindset
is superior becomes so strong that it often becomes a basis for
>
> fellowship and for discernment of right and wrong. It even
leads to the
> > rejection of Greek words, so that "Peter" as a
name is rejected and
> > replaced with "Cephas" instead.
The name "Paul" is rejected and
replaced
> > with "Sha'ul."
The name "Jesus" is rejected and replaced with "Yeshua"
or
> >
"Yahshua." The general idea is that if it is Hebrew it is good and
of
> > God, but if it is from Greek origin it is bad.
Therefore, start
thinking
> > and talking like a Hebrew and
you will find godliness. :-) Get the
idea?
>
>
> >Are they serious about this? You mean I am going to
have to learn Greek
> and
> >Hebrew to grow in
grace?
>
> >Pete
>
>
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>
> Good morning,
Mr. Ad Hominem... oops, I mean DavidM. Thank you for
climbing
>
into my head and explaining the cogs and gears you see from within.
God
> bless you for straightening Pete... and me out. I had no idea
I should
have
> been looking to Plato. Was he one of the Elders
who ate with God on the
> mountain? Silly me. Oh, and Pete... Your
reply has really helped me as
well.
> 'Preciate it. Now I know I
can't use Yeshua any more. 'Guess I gotta use
> Jeezus
now!
>
> -- slade
>
> ----------
> "Let your
speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
know how
you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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