To the 'peace-maker'(?): I think that you read posts in order sent'received so, perhaps you didn't note the one sent out earlier this morning. SPEAKING OF BLINDNESS, said he, (sarx, nous and pneuma aside). I've recommended world class (godly) scholars to you previously and, do so again. Try N. T. Wright on this. There are others but, that's a start. You write with a 'and dats da name of dat tune' tone.Not necessarily Meister Miller. There are other competent readings of Romans 7 & 8. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: December 22, 2004 16:20 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Flesh and Spirit ---------- Huh?
> John wrote: > > Flesh and spirit were used by Slade in the > > discussion of a human being's make-up. > > David quotes a scripture uses "flesh" and > > "spirit" in regards to contrary allegiances. > > I don't know why you do this sort of thing. > > Slade isn't saying anything AT ALL about > > Romans 7 and 8. > > Correct me if I am wrong, someone. > > The contrary allegiances spoken about in Romans 7 & 8 concerns the makeup of > man. How can you or anyone else be blind to this fact? Look at the words > he uses! Sarx, nous, and pneuma (flesh, mind, spirit). > > Romans 7:21-23 > (21) I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. > (22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: > (23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my > mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my > members. > > Look at the duality of man discussed in this passage. The law is in his > MIND (nous). Yet evil is present with him. Where? In his members, in his > FLESH (sarx). This is the classic Greek dualism, that the material is but a > shadow of an eternal spiritual reality. With the nous, man apprehends the > original form from the spirit, but his flesh is but a shadow and is unable > to correspond to that which his mind apprehends. Man is torn between two > parts... the mind that touches the knowledge of the spirit (the law is > spiritual) and the law of sin which exists in his members, in his FLESH (his > physical body). > > Romans 7:25 > (25) ... So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the > flesh the law of sin. > > Paul concludes with this basic understanding of the dual nature of man, how > with his mind he can touch that which is eternal and is of God and is good, > but his flesh (his physical body) is encumbered with the law of sin at work > within it. Remember the works of the flesh? > > Galatians 5:19-21 > (19) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, > fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, > (20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, > seditions, heresies, > (21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which > I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do > such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. > > All these works emanate from the appetites of the physical body. The fruit > of the spirit, on the other hand, is apprehended with the mind touching the > spirit (the nous touching the pneuma). > > Galatians 5:22-25 > (22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, > gentleness, goodness, faith, > (23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. > (24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections > and lusts. > (25) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. > > The contrast that Paul constantly teaches is between flesh and spirit, > between physical body and spirit. Without understanding this dual nature of > man, how can we understand the work of the spirit in our lives and the need > to die to the affections and lusts of our flesh (our physical bodies)? > > Romans 7:18 > (18) For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: > for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find > not. > > Righteousness does not come from our flesh, but from the spirit. Ask > yourself why Paul takes so much time to establish this fact? Could it be a > key for many to enter into righteousness? Speaking from practical > experience, I know it was a significant key of understanding for me. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
