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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy, I have noticed that sometimes criticism has been raised against you if you compare many different passages to express a viewpoint. The charge of "proof-texting" sometimes comes up. While one must be careful not to inject one's own desired views into what the Scriptures are trying to communicate, we should not be so naive to think that one must only deal with passages within the context of how they were written. jt: I've been charged with "proof texting" more than
once on TT. However I have no texts that I am trying to prove.
I come to God's Word to learn, to receive His Truth,
and to walk in His Ways.
Anyone who has done a study in the New Testament of how the apostles
communicated the written Scriptures will quickly find them jumping all over the
place, often appearing to yank passages completely out of context according to
the methods of hermeneutics commonly taught in modern seminaries. I think
Isaiah 28:11-12 being quoted by Paul in 1 Cor. 14:21 is a good example of
this.
jt: Yes, I've noticed this with the prophets also, they
can go from one subject to another and back over a few verses defying all laws
of grammar taught in schools.
In the recent discussion about the eternal Sonship, you brought up a
passage where the author of Hebrews quotes from two entirely different
books. I thought it might be prudent for me to call attention to this
passage. It is Hebrews 1:5.
Hebrews 1:5
(5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? The first part of this verse is quoted from Psalm 2:7. The second
part of this verse is from 2 Samuel 7:14. Clearly, the author of Scripture
here quotes from two very different books to establish his point about the
significance of Jesus Christ and his sonship to the father.
We talked some about Psalm 2:7. I would like to bring to our
attention the passage in 2 Samuel. Following is this passage in
context.
2 Samuel 7:8-17
(8) Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel:(9) And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth.(10) Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, (11) And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house. (12) And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. (13) He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. (14) I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: (15) But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. (16) And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. (17) According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David. Notice that verse 12 begins to speak of the seed that should come after
David. The author of Hebrew applies verse 14 to Christ. Do you think
the seed of verse 12 is pointing toward Messiah?
jt: It has to be because the only other son of David
who was given a throne was Solomon and his throne certainly wasn't established
forever - in fact he knew he had lost the kingdom before his death. It has
to be referring to Christ, the son who learned obedience by the things he
suffered by the hands of men.
The context of this phrase, "I will be his father, and
he shall be my son" appears to be futuristic, as speaking about a new
kind of relationship established as he builds a house for the name of the Lord
and establishes his throne. Do you think that this passage in 2 Samuel
7:14 helps bring a better perspective on this idea that you have shared that
Yeshua was made a son in his incarnation as man?
jt: I do.... and Thank You David - I am one who
appreciates your part of the body along with your scientific/pedantic bent
:)
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