I am so glad, with you, that salvation is of Christ and is not contingent upon us getting everything exactly right. Theology does not save us; Christ saves us. Theology is the way we come to know God -- for better or worse, depending upon our theology.
 
Peace to you, brother.
 
Bill
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Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Idioms and Figures of Speech

Bill Taylor wrote:
Friends,
 
I have corrected some typos in the post below, concerning the figurative meaning of Hebrews 1.5 and Psalms 2.7 et al. I typed that post in the early ours of this morning and made several mistakes in the process. As I reread it I realized that I stopped short of making explicit a fairly significant point. Although I made this point by implication, its thrust may not be all that apparent. And so please indulge me as I attempt to articulate it more explicitly.
 
If I am to understand Judy and David correctly, they are interpreting the statement, "This day I have become your Father," to be addressing one specific day -- and only that day -- that Jesus was born or became incarnate. They understand this statement to express a doctrine of incarnational Sonship; that is to say that prior to the physical birth of Jesus the "Son" did not exist, even though the Word did exist in the Godhead and is eternal. I and some others have challenged this interpretation and in that challenge have made the assertion that the statement -- "This day ..." -- is to be taken figuratively and is not to be taken literally. The response to this has been a counter-challenge for us to explain how it is that this statement is figurative.
 
It is my belief that the statement is figurative in that it refers not to one point in time but to multiple points in time throughout eternity and redemptive history. Yes, it applies to the birth of Jesus Christ: "This day I have become your Father." But this is not the only point in time to which it refers. Look with me at Acts 13.32-33: "And we declare to you glad tidings -- that promise which was made to the fathers. God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.'" Here Paul uses this same statement from Ps. 2.7 to establish the Sonship of Jesus Christ, but he does not place the origin of that event at the moment of Jesus' birth, as Judy and David maintain it must be; instead he uses this statement to establish Sonship by way of Jesus' resurrection from the dead, stating that "God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus."
 
Now, does this mean that Jesus was not the "Son" until the "day" of his resurrection? No, it does not, and that is not the argument I am attempting to set forth. Jesus indeed was the Son prior to the resurrection. But how can this be when verse 33 clearly states, "Today I have begotten You" -- that "day" is the day of his resurrection, not the day he became incarnate? The reason it can be is because the statement is figurative; it is not to be taken as a literal reference to one specific day in time. It is instead a proclamation, a decree which was used at different points of ultimate significance to affirm the divine Sonship of Christ. The fact that it is used in one place to affirm this status at his birth does not negate or limit its use in another place to affirm the same Sonship at his resurrection. This is because Son is eternally begotten. The statement of Ps 2.7 refers not to one point or one day but to every day, and on certain days -- like at his birth and at his resurrection -- the Father chooses to make the grand announcement: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You."
 
Thank you so much,
 
Bill
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If it makes you happy to believe that Bill, then live it up.  I don't think it will cause you to lose your salvation.
As for me, what you are saying is so far out that I do not know why anyone would buy it.  It does not make a lick of sense to claim that this day does not really mean this day,or that this day can mean a bunch of days, or that the Savior was a son before He had a mother.
Sorry, but no sale.
Terry

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