'Better perspective' aside, David, just what is your belief as to the 'eternal sonship' of Christ? If you might manage to do so, keep it to a paragraph or so.
thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: December 25, 2004 22:09 Subject: [TruthTalk] Is comparing passages from different books valid? > Judy, I have noticed that sometimes criticism has been raised against you if > you compare many different passages to express a viewpoint. The charge of > "proof-texting" sometimes comes up. While one must be careful not to inject > one's own desired views into what the Scriptures are trying to communicate, > we should not be so naive to think that one must only deal with passages > within the context of how they were written. Anyone who has done a study in > the New Testament of how the apostles communicated the written Scriptures > will quickly find them jumping all over the place, often appearing to yank > passages completely out of context according to the methods of hermeneutics > commonly taught in modern seminaries. I think Isaiah 28:11-12 being quoted > by Paul in 1 Cor. 14:21 is a good example of this. > > In the recent discussion about the eternal Sonship, you brought up a passage > where the author of Hebrews quotes from two entirely different books. I > thought it might be prudent for me to call attention to this passage. It is > Hebrews 1:5. > > Hebrews 1:5 > (5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this > day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall > be to me a Son? > > The first part of this verse is quoted from Psalm 2:7. The second part of > this verse is from 2 Samuel 7:14. Clearly, the author of Scripture here > quotes from two very different books to establish his point about the > significance of Jesus Christ and his sonship to the father. > > We talked some about Psalm 2:7. I would like to bring to our attention the > passage in 2 Samuel. Following is this passage in context. > > 2 Samuel 7:8-17 > (8) Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the > LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to > be ruler over my people, over Israel: > (9) And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all > thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto > the name of the great men that are in the earth. > (10) Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant > them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither > shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, > (11) And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people > Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD > telleth thee that he will make thee an house. > (12) And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, > I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, > and I will establish his kingdom. > (13) He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of > his kingdom for ever. > (14) I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I > will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children > of men: > (15) But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, > whom I put away before thee. > (16) And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before > thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. > (17) According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did > Nathan speak unto David. > > Notice that verse 12 begins to speak of the seed that should come after > David. The author of Hebrew applies verse 14 to Christ. Do you think the > seed of verse 12 is pointing toward Messiah? The context of this phrase, "I > will be his father, and he shall be my son" appears to be futuristic, as > speaking about a new kind of relationship established as he builds a house > for the name of the Lord and establishes his throne. Do you think that this > passage in 2 Samuel 7:14 helps bring a better perspective on this idea that > you have shared that Yeshua was made a son in his incarnation as man? > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
