Re: [TruthTalk] Idioms and Figures of Speech

[Bill Taylor]

John wrote >> The Word of life and the Son of God are the same.   What is true of one is true of the other.  Because this is true, John speaks of them in the same equation, the same breath, in I John 1:1-3.    Jesus is the eternal life manifested to us by the Father.     Judy responds >> Only after the incarnation and resurrection and John is not speaking of them in the same breath... Neither does Bill see them as the same thing, he does not see God's Word as a living thing - yesterday said " To deny the eternal Sonship of Christ and to set in his place a rationally-static "Word" doctrine, is to depersonalize the relationship most central to the heart of God: the Father-Son relationship" .   Judy, this is the second time you've mentioned this. I still don't have a clue as to what you think I've communicated here. I do see the Word and the Son as the same. It is you who says "they" (pl) are not. I see the Word and the Son as eternally the same Person of the Trinity, although expressed in different language at different times, depending on the context and intent of the biblical authors (in conjunction with the Holy Spirit of course). The Son and the Word are the same, Judy, and they shall remain so  -- even if someone tries to separate "them" (pl), making one eternal, the other not, and making the relationship the eternal one has with the "Father" into something other than a Father/Son relationship.   And so I still ask you: Who is this God who changes, and what then is that relationship which changes to become a Father/Son relationship?   Bill