JT: Jonathan,
what you are trying to insert yourself into here really is not your
business. If you can
not be part of
the answer, why make yourself part of the problem? I know this
is a public list
but your input on
this thread tonight just stokes the fire and
feeds discord.
Best to stick
with your theology.
Judy says:
What I have learned through all of this though is how little love there is
among those who profess godliness. So many seem to want to get in and lay
on another 'stripe' - accusation and condemnation reign. Is it
any wonder people lack vulnerability and openness in Church
settings? - they would be eaten alive. Where is the love that
covers the multitude of sin? judyt
Jonathan
responds: I believe this is very much my business. Your practice of hypocrisy has been aimed at me many times in the
last year. Many posts with your long list of put-downs towards Godly
men I respect and admire, your rants against theologians and even theology
itself have been during conversations with yours truly.
This is very much a �me� issue. I have reproved
you on this very issue what, half a dozen times in the last
year?
And as a case in
point that 1) you give out just as much as you take, and 2) lack the love
you wish others had please see your post above. Your �best to stick
with your theology� has accusation and condemnation
all over it. Where is the love Judy? This is you laying yet another �stripe�.
What we are seeing here is your defenses running
full force against what has been exposed as your
hypocrisy.
When people have
brought your harshness/bitterness/lack of love in
your emails to you, you have always hid behind the line that
what you were saying was true even though it didn�t sound loving.
That it was better to reprove someone in love even
if you had to use tough love. That you had such concern
for the members of the forum that you would take a stand and do
this. When people do it to you, you claim �how little love there is
among those who profess godliness�. You will
do anything but address the issue of hypocrisy in your life,
even to the point of lashing out at those who
expose it (slade deserves an apology from you for the way you
have reacted to his reprovals). None of us want you to be in the
position you are in Judy. We all want to see you
move beyond it to healing. Jonathan
And the following
is what I didn't want to respond to:
I am not
speaking of your plagiarism. I
really care less about it...
jt: Then why
do you continue to feed comments like Gary's and help to keep the issue
alive? You know, like "he who is without
sin?"
JBH:
You (Judy) labeled what Gary said as an ad
hominem. It wasn�t. You were wrong. You accused a brother of something that was not
true. When David thought that John did this he went off his
rocker and threatened to shun John. When you do it we just smile
and say, �there she goes again�. And as usual
you refuse to accept the moderator�s authority. You
wouldn�t let you kids get away with this type of behavior but you like
to express it here.
unless you were
jabbing pin and needles into others for plagiarism. Sometimes the words
of another human being expresses our thoughts better than we can.
I also don't
care about "cuss words"
unless it's overdone. These are not holiness issues to
me.
jt: So it
does not bother you if sweet and bitter water come from the
same fountain?
JBH:
Sweet and bitter water come from your typing hands
daily. As proved to you lately sweet
and bitter water have come from Finis Dake.
I am extremely
concerned over hypocrisy. I fear it in my own life and I yearn for
people to express their concerns regarding the hypocrisy they smell in
MY life. This trait manifested in the last week, and you have
NOT repented of it.
jt: Excuse
me? I have publicly repented/apologized to people on
this list and I have dealt with my own heart before the Lord. Do
you need something special Slade? I'm sorry that this does not
measure up to your standard. Will you forgive
me?
JBH:
You halfheartedly apologized to people on
this list. Bill accepted it. What Slade points out is that
while you apologized for your plagiarism you did not
apologize/repent of your hypocrisy which is well documented on
this forum. You have been called on it and we should all expect David Miller to jump on you
like he jumped on John threatening that you be shunned and
removed from fellowship until you have repented. If he does not
then we know that he just has it in for John and could care less about
the rest of the forum.
In fact,
you hide behind
weak screens like
"Dake is not a
theologian" and
"Dake was a
spirit filled man which I believe gives one more insight into
certain truths" which
makes it all right for YOU to quote him, but quotes of other men are
worthless, incessant wadings.
jt: The late
Finis Dake was not a theologian and what I quoted was truth no
matter where it came from. But Truth appears only a minor issue here
some seem to be much more interested in nit
picking.
JBH:
Finis Dake was a theologian. You are a theologian. Please
learn the term. Is a theologian only one who gets paid to
theologize? Silly. Truth is much
more of an issue here than you seem to be able to see. There are few people that I know of that nit pick more
than you do. The old plank in the eye thing
Judy.
All you have to
do is go back through those archives and see how many times you say
something like "all I need is Scripture." What's
worse, is you criticize the Pharisees for
being hypocrites!!!
jt: What I
meant to convey is that if we are going to major on talking about truth
we would be better off to stay with Scripture; as for the
Pharisees, Jesus called them hypocrites so I am in
agreement with the Master. They put loads on other people that they
weren't willing to carry themselves and I'm beginning to wonder if there
isn't some of the Pharisee spirit here right
now.
JBH:
You change your tune more than an old
piano. Scripture does not have a monopoly on truth.
You have yet to use scripture in this post. Blah blah
blah.
Apparently,
the fruit doesn't fall far from the
tree.
JBH: A
typical poke. Nice
bitter water coming from this water fountain.
THIS is the
issue of greatest concern. It's not a case
of rubbing it in.
jt: Then why
do you keep doing so and delving into all the details again when
you do it?
JBH: Because you have a lot to learn about
yourself. Please learn it so we don�t have to continue to
do this with you every month.
It's a case of
wishing you the best in your life. Hypocrisy will
destroy you unless you give it to God. --
slade
jt: What
does God want with it Slade? My you have a back
handed way of wishing me the best in life - Like nothing I say
makes a dent in whatever you have already concluded
concerning me. But Oh well, all I can say is that I am so
glad God does not hold grudges.
JBH:
You don�t think God holds grudges? Hmmm
somehow I think you are misleading people here. Do you think God
sends people to Hell? Sounds like quite a
grudge. Love me or burn!
P.S. I
asked a question about the two messages that went astray Slade -
up front and out in the open, giving you the opportunity to respond in
kind...
jt: Others can do
whatever they like Slade. I just got weary of being confronted with
the doctrines
of certain men
over and over, and over, and over on TT. Also I don't use my
Dake's Bible in any closet,
it's right out
there on the table with the others and I've made no secret of the
fact that that I have one.
BTW since I
have publicly repented for this why is it not dropped? Is God in
favor of beating ppl
over the same
offence 70 times 7? The thread should be defunct and yet
you the Moderator go on to
feed Gary's
insult as follows:
myth
(e.g.,
reflectg on her exchngs, even with you: her posts indicate
her monolithic presumption
of theolgicl
superiority)
Within
the context of this thread, I disagree.
jt:
The mind boggles; in light of the above gets by then what left
to moderate??
PS:
The reason I am responding publicly is because you initially posted
this publicly which David has
"Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes: Jonathan in dark
blue as JBH.
JT: Jonathan,
what you are trying to insert yourself into here really is not your
business. If you can
not be part of
the answer, why make yourself part of the problem? I know this
is a public list
but your input on
this thread tonight just stokes the fire and
feeds discord.
Best to stick
with your theology.
