What John 17:24 conveys is the existence of the Father - Son relationship from the foundations of the world.
John 17:24
(24) Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
I see this passage like Judy does. I don't see how it conveys the existence of the Father - Son relationship from the foundations of the world. It only speaks about how the Father loved him before the foundation of the world.
All the passages you shared are similar in this vein. You appear to read into them your bias that the son was the son in eternity past. You might be right, but the Bible does not seem to teach that, and I still can't get past Psalm 2:7, "this day have I begotten thee."
The strongest authority we have are some fourth century creeds. Are they enough to establish the eternal sonship doctrine as true?
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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