Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth

[Lance Muir]

Dunno. It all depends what YOU mean by 'the fall'. As you recollect, not all on TT are agreed as to it's meaning. However, were you to ask my wife if I'm an example, well......that's a different story. ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 01, 2005 10:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth jt: Bob the Builder videos are at the level of our 2yr old grandson; they have a theme-song and Bobs famous line is "Can we fix it?" - "Yes we can".  At our house if you ask the question our grandson always responds with "CAN" which is cute from a 2yr old.   As for God the Creator in our generation natural generation determines nothing so far as He is concerned - today spiritual generation is where it is at and it is impossible to please Him without faith - but then you don't accept the outcome of the fall do you?     On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:46:00 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I listen to a guy from Australia who references 'Bob the Builder' often. Who is this guy anyway?   As God is the Creator, He is the Father of All. None were 'generated' by Satan, IMO. From: Judy Taylor   No we don't Lance, in fact "The fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man" is a Masonic concept straight from the ancient mysteries.  Terrys use of the term "My God" tells me that he has a personal relationship with his God through Christ.  This "inclusionary mindset" is something other than the "mind of Christ" because Jesus Himself made the division when he said that His mother and brothers were those willing to do the will of the Father.   jt: Starting the New Year with "Bob the Builder" :)  Praying that you will all be blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ over the coming year.     On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 08:55:31 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Postscript:On being picky, picky, picky..I do understand your meaning when you speak of  'My God' but, part of the discussion re:the orthodox faith has to do with this exclusionary mindset. Don't we all believe in THE FATHERHOOD OF GOD AND THE BROTHERHOOD OF MAN when adopting a more inclusionary mindset?   Just before you, or others, respond just let me get out my bulletproof shield.  ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 01, 2005 07:31 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth Lance Muir wrote: Your honor, learned counsel for Calvin seeks an answer! =========================================== Calvin contends that only the elect ( chosen before the world was created) are saved. By adopting that belief, he is saying that no one but the elect can enter Heaven, therefore God created billions of people over thousands of years, just so He could condemn them to eternal damnation with never a moment when they could have been saved. I know my God better than that.  Calvin sucks. Terry