Re: [TruthTalk] Deceiving and Being Deceived was Judy's Plagiarism

[Lance Muir]

My friend, Jonathan, and I were sitting here talking about this very thing not two hours ago. He is the more hopeful of the two. At the core, I believe real change to be more apparent than real. To quote myself, "Who you are at six is who you are a sixty. ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 01, 2005 12:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Deceiving and Being Deceived was Judy's Plagiarism In a message dated 1/1/2005 8:52:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would be curious as to how you plan to do what you must do.  Izzy I do not know if this is "how" but what I must do is mirror the same grace given me to others........ responding to what is within rather than to what is external. Sadly, when we give in to our own desires to control, to retaliate, to impose, to judge  --  we do so without regard to that internal Influence.   I have been thinking about all of us on this forum  --   how impressed I really am with each person's zeal for what they believe  -  but especially about my influence on this forum.  I have always felt a certain attachment with David.   I see him as a game player  --   a follower of Christ but a game player, nonetheless.   His conclusion that his crimes were against God is a profundity that has much to do with me and surrender to temptation (as alluded to above).   When I give and needle one a bit, or slam someone, when I give others a "taste of their own medicine,"  I am actually telling God to go to hell,just for a moment.   It is for that reason and that reason alone, that I can say, "Against thee and thee only have I sinned."   When I argue for the fact (as I see it)  that man remains a sinner, even after having received the Spirit Influence,  I am not saying that man cannot be sinless.   Rather, that he will not.   That poem  (Times change but people don't, or is it better said, they won't) was my way, many years ago, of expressing this circumstance.  Many, perhaps most, on this forum have an aggressive gene but not the partner gene of "warfare.'   I do.   I would have never been the warrior David was, but I would have been one of his generals  (perhaps).  I would have been somewhat more consistent than Samson, but I understand his mischief  (i.e. the 300 foxes),  I do not think I would have surrendered by birthright,  but Esua and I would have been friends.   You do me and I will humiliate you.   All of that changed a few years ago, but only because of my allegiance and surrender to that inner force.   I came to this forum with that as a noticeable part of me.  And, if that was my reputation, it was lost along the way, in the midst of this intellectual forum that I came to see as war.   I did not completely surrender to that,  but I was well on my way.  "Times change but people don't"  --    is not entirely true for me because I do not what it to  so.   So I have used the past hours setting the cart upright, ready for the new year's ride.  John JD