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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Why the
Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me
In a message dated 1/4/2005 8:12:48 AM Pacific Standard
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Correction: make that ONE CONCISE SENTENCE please. Izzy
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Why the
Eternal Sonship of Christ Matters to Me
In a message dated 1/3/2005 7:30:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I’d
appreciate it if JD or Jonathan or Lance could please write in ONE CONCISE
statement what they mean by “Eternal Fatherhood” or “Eternal Son” so we could
at least decide if we agree once and for all. I still can’t fathom why
they are all worked up about it. Izzy
Although this is part philosophical, I will offer it as an
explanation. In eternity, there is no time
-- the absense of time. No time, no aging, no
change -- what one is in
eternity is what one always has been and always will be. He is the
great I Am because there is nothing else. If He is God
(a word, a title for many) then He is the Eternal
God. If He is the Savior, then He is the Eternal
Savior. THERE ARE NO OTHER POSSIBLILITIES IN THE ETERNAL WORLD
(that's where we are not.) I can live for
ever -- that has nothing to do with the statement that
I am eternal. One is true, the other is not. THE
ONLY REASON ONE IS ETERNAL IS THAT ONE HAS NO
BEGINNING. Many of us have no ending. NONE of us have
"no beginning" -- just God
Manifest. I am forever a Father. That's a
fact. God, on the other hand, is "forever"
only because He is Eternal. Everything about Him is Eternal
---- if in fact there is no time in his world.
Everything that is happening to us, is happening in the twink of an eye twich
as far as God is concerned. There is no passage of time for
Him. His dreams, His wishes, His thoughts, His plans, His
propositions, are our reality. For God, they have
ALREADY HAPPENED. Same difference. That is why He is
the Eternal Father and Christ is the Eternal Son. Christ has always
been our salvation --- there never was a time
(for us) that He was not our righteousness. Why?
Because the plans of God are facts ---- they are
written in stone, they will occur. (in
a time run world, they WILL occur.) It has been played
out for us IN TIME But the
Godhead does not live in a time sphere. If you think
that weird -- fine, but give up trying to tell me
different. I know
that my world IS NOTHING LIKE HIS WORLD. I know that I
have no idea what I will be like in that next life except I will be like
him (you will find this in I John
somewhere). You want to take the definitions for Father, Son,
Judge, King and whatever -- you want to impose the definitions of
these things from your experience in our world, go ahead. But I
know that He is more different than I can say -- therefore, the
notions of Fatherhood and Sonship CANNOT be defined and understood from my
experience. They HAVE to be different and they HAVE TO BE ETERNAL.
In an Eternal realm, one without time, you cannot start AHYTHING --
YOU JUST ARE !!!!
"God changes not," BECAUSE HE CANNOT CHANGE.
"Father and Son" go directly to what he is, to his purpose, to his
planing for us -- to his care and keeping of this time worn
world. And He does it all as Father and Son to us, for us and with
us.
You have your scriptures and by God I have mine !!!!!!
You want your God to be something other than an Eternal Father and
Son --- awesome, but not for me. Call me stupid but
don't call me late at night and tell me i am wrong about this.
I Have Spoken
J David Smithson
Pastor, Bishop of Love and Idiot.
Tea anyone ? ! :-)
Ain't going to do it. So your criticism is not that we have not
explained but that it wasn't done in a single concise sentence.
That is perhaps the most novel reason for rejecting truth that I have yet come
across. Congrats. Lance has finally been proven
wrong about his surmise that nothing can be truly original
- you, my dear, have effectively debunked that bunk.
You are my new hero. Just think -- David, Judy Izzy,
poor old Terry Clifton and, now, poor old John Smithson
~!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow .
J
J, if you
are finished belittling me for the moment: I cannot honestly make heads or
tails of the meaning of what you wrote above. It reveals nothing to me about
what I want to know. (1) What exactly IS the difference between what you think
about the Trinity due to your “Eternal Son” dogma, (I also believe the Father, Son, and Holy
Spirit are eternal) and (2) What difference does it make, anyway? Izzy
