John wrote: > The Son is such because He is always > the Servant of the Father.
This is one idea that is at the heart of the historic objections to the eternal sonship doctrine. If the person Yeshua was always the servant, then how can we say that he was equal to the father in eternity past? There are many passages that suggest that the person Yeshua set aside a part of the glory he had and BECAME a servant by being born of the woman Mary. Philippians 2:5-7 (5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (7) But made himself of no reputation, and TOOK UPON HIM THE FORM OF A SERVANT, and was made in the likeness of men: In the passage above, if he TOOK UPON HIM the form of a servant by being born in the flesh, then the implication is that he was not a servant prior to that. If the term "son" implies subservience, then perhaps it is applicable in regards to the function he took on by being born of the flesh. John 17:4-5 (4) I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. (5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self WITH THE GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS. John 14:28 (28) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Is this phrase, "my Father is greater than I" applicable only at this point in time when he was of the flesh (created a little lower than the angels), or is it applicable for eternity past too? The eternal sonship doctrine would imply that it is applicable in eternity past, whereas Judy's doctrine on this would suggest it may not have been applicable in eternity past, but only when he became a son by being born of the woman. Hebrews 2:6-11 (6) But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? (7) Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: (8) Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. BUT NOW WE SEE NOT YET ALL THINGS PUT UNDER HIM. (9) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (10) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, IN BRINGING MANY SONS UNTO GLORY, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified ARE ALL OF ONE: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Peace be with you. David Miller. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
