Think red this go round:
> Jeff wrote:
>> I think the better translation would
>> be more along the line of,
>> Lev 23:42 "You shall dwell in booths seven
>> days; all that are home-born in Israel shall
>> dwell in booths;" JPS version
>
> Yes, that is a better translation. Thanks. So the command to observe
> Sukkoth is only meant for the home-born Israelite? Is that how you read it? No.
>> I think the better translation would
>> be more along the line of,
>> Lev 23:42 "You shall dwell in booths seven
>> days; all that are home-born in Israel shall
>> dwell in booths;" JPS version
>
> Yes, that is a better translation. Thanks. So the command to observe
> Sukkoth is only meant for the home-born Israelite? Is that how you read it? No.
Deu 16:14"
Be joyful at your Feast-you, your sons and daughters, your menservants and maidservants, and the Levites, the STRANGERS the fatherless and the widows that live in your towns."How do you read this David?
>
> Jeff wrote:
>> David you still DO NOT UNDERSTAND the sacrificial
>> system of the Temple. There can be no sacrifices without
>> the Temple Altar. It's amazing, I know 6,7 and 8 year
>> olds that understand this ... <snip ad hominem remarks>
I don't think its an ad hominem to speak the
truth. Christianity has rejected God's Covenant. But if the moderator chides me
for this so be it. David, your next remark was entirely uncalled for and just
shows me that once again you are attempting to pick an argument. Face it, your
tactics are antiquated and annoying, a large reason I tend not to reply to your
posts. I don't claim to know it all and I don't have to win every argument,
therefore if you continue with this method I will again ignore you and let you
claim your victory.
Jeff. I'm a little bit slow and a quart low sometimes. I really
> depend upon smart guys like you who take time to explain this stuff to me.
> I don't know where you find the patience to respond to someone as stupid as
> I am.
>
> My first problem in understanding you is that there was no Temple when the
> Torah was written, so it seems really confusing to me why you would think
> that there needs to be a Temple Altar.
>
> Are you saying that if I build my own altar (kind of like Noah did) to
> observe the Torah commandments that I would be in violation of Torah? YES Can
> you tell me what passage I would be in violation of?
> David are you a Levite? If not you would be building a pagan altar. Secondly, God, Himself, tells us how we are to offer the sacrifices. Exodus 25 we begin to see the Tabernacle of His design. In Ex.27 we are given the instructions for the altar and in chapter 29 the instructions for consecrating the sons of Aaron, the Levitical Priests. Then about verse 13 we see the Altar designed by God used for the first time. I figure you will probably argue that this is the Tabernacle, not the Temple, but you need to understand that the Tabernacle was the forerunner of the Temple. Now read all of Ex 29, taking note of Who,what,when and why of these sacrifices. Where does an ordinary man make a sacrifice?
Take special notice of verses
42-44. Especially verse 44. Who consecrates the Altar? Certainly not a
man!
What happened when Aaron made
an altar NOT consecrated by God (Ex.32)? Moses pleads with God for the peoples
sake. Instead of killing the Israelites God nails them with a plague (32:25) So
go right ahead David, build an altar if you wish, but be warned you will be
thumbing your nose at God if you do. So now the rest of Exodus pretty much tells
us about the building of the Tabernacle and the order in which it is set
up.
Then we get to Leviticus and
the rules for making offerings. Again, it cannot be done in ones own yard or
without a Levitical Priest. It can only be done at the Tabernacle then after
Solomon builds the Temple at the Temple. And remember, the Tabernacle was the
portable Temple during the time when the Israelites were still very much a band
of nomads.
The first Temple was built by
Solomon of course. But not without God's blessing. Remember God didn't allow
David to build it because he had blood on his hands. I think it's interesting
that folling this same line of thought we can see why the Temple has not been
rebuilt in our time yet. Since Israel became an independant state in 1947 it has
had bloodstained leaders! When Israel elects a leader that is free of a
bloodstained past I think the Temple will be built almost overnight and when
it's ready God, Himself will light the fire on the Altar because man let it go
out in violation of Lev.6:12-13. It was to be kept burning
eternally.
I'm too tired to go any further
tonight so I'll let you stew on this and maybe if you can discuss this in a
civil manner with out trying to pick more of a fight I'll continue.
Jeff
Life makes warriors of us all.
To emerge the victors, we must arm
ourselves with the most potent of weapons.
That weapon is prayer.
--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov
To emerge the victors, we must arm
ourselves with the most potent of weapons.
That weapon is prayer.
--Rebbe Nachman of Breslov
