Dave, Have we established that unless I join the LDS Church I can not be saved? Or am I taking these quotes out of context?
I do not: exclude by definition exclude by creed ad nauseam For more of this Nauseam read Stephen Robinson's book --- Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Kevin Deegan wrote: > > > DAVEH asks for a definition > > > > You ask for a definition. > > > DAVEH: Yes........I'd like to hear a real > definition of /Christian > /from both you and Perry, since you both seem so > adamant to exclude > Mormons from being considered Christian. After > reading through all you > posted below, I fail to see where you define > /Christian/. Why is that, > Kevin? I ofttimes think what you avoid saying > speaks more to the topic > than what you do post. > > BTW........Yes, I do have a copy of Robinson's > book (AMC), but have > not read it yet. Are there any particular points he > made that you wish > me to read that would not take too long? > > > James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; > thou doest well: the > > devils also believe, and tremble. > > The devils believe in God. They are seen in the NT > knowing Christ > > Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, > Jesus I know > > Something is obviously missing. The devils have a > head knowledge and > > probably a good definition since they have even > been with Jesus. > > According to LDS Daniel C. Peterson and Stephen D. > Ricks the > > definition is "Christian: anyone or any group that > believes in Jesus > > Christ as the Savior and Son of God." > > The legion that said "What have I to do with thee, > Jesus, thou Son of > > the most high God?" they would qualify as > Christians! > > Anyway Ricks & peterson want the definition to be > so inclusive and > > BROAD as to not bar anyone. Yet the Bible tells us > MANY are on the > > BROADway to Destruction Few find the Narrow way to > eternal life. MANY > > will be told "depart from me I never knew you." > "Depart from me, ye > > curse d, into everlasting fire" > > > > Rather than get into the definition game > (exclusion by definition etc.) > > Have you read Robinsons book "Are Mormons > Christian"? > > > http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/newsletters_articles/aremormonschristians.htm > > I thought we might see what some of the GENERAL > AUTHORITIES say. > > They can give us authoratative information on > Mormonism, we can only > > hold opinions. > > > > SAME OR DIFFERENT WHICH IS IT? > > "Should you ask why we differ from other > Christians, as they are > > called, it is simply because they are not > Christians as the New > > Testament defines > > Christianity." (Brigham Young, Mormonism's Second > President,Journal of > > Discourses 10:230.) > > > > If all Mormons are Christians then all Christians > are Mormons, right? > > LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie - "Mormonism is > Christianity; > > Christianity is Mormonism; they are one and the > same, and they are not > > to be distinguished from each other in the > minutest detail ...Mormons > > are true Christians; their worship is the pure, > unadulterated > > Christianity authored by Christ and accepted by > Peter, James, and John > > and all the ancient saints." (Mormon Doctrine, pg. > 513). > > > > THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE CHURCH guess which one you > are in: > > "And he [God] said unto me: Behold there are save > two churches only; > > the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the > other is the church > > of the > > devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the > church of the Lamb of God > > belongeth to that great church, which is the > mother of abominations; > > and she is the whore of all the earth." (1 Nephi > 14:10, see also 13:6, > > 14:3, 9; Alma 5:39) > > > > WHICH ONE ARE YOU? IN CASE YOU ARE NOT SURE WHO > THE CHURCH OF THE > > DEVIL IS: > > "What is the church of the devil in our day, and > what is the seat of > > her power?...It is all the systems, both Christian > and non-Christian, > > that perverted the pure and perfect gospel....It > is communism, it is > > Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity > in all its parts. It > > is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and > Italy under > > Mussolini" (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie Millennial > Messiah, pp. 54-55). > > > > "This is not just another Church. This is not just > one of a family of > > Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom > of God, the only > > true Church upon the face of the earth..." > (Teachings of Ezra Taft > > Benson, p.164-165). > > > > "the only true and living church upon the face of > the whole earth" > > (D&C 1:30) > > > > "Each of us has to face the matter--either the > Church is true, or it > > is a fraud. There is no middle ground. It is the > Church and kingdom of > > God, or it is nothing." (President Gordon B. > Hinckley. "Loyalty," > > April Conference, 2003. ) > > > > This Church is the only true and living church > upon the face of the > > whole earth .... there is no salvation outside the > Church of Jesus > > Christ of Latter-day Saints. (Bruce McConkie, > Mormon Doctrine, Page 670) > > > > "I asked the Personages [God the Father and God > the Son] who stood > > above me in the light, which of all the sects was > right (for at this > > time it had never entered into my heart that all > were wrong)--and > > which I should join. I was answered that I must > join none of them, for > > they were all wrong; and the Personage who > addressed me said that all > > their creeds were an abomination in his sight; > that those professors > > were all corrupt;..." (Joseph Smith - History > > 1:18-19, "The Testimony of the Prophet Joseph > Smith", p. 3) also a > > pamphlet in use by LDS missionaries > > > > "the only organization authorized by the Almighty > to preach his gospel > > and administer the ordinances of salvation, the > only Church which has > > power to save" (Mormon Doctrine; 1977 ed, p. 136). > > > > "We cannot accept that any other church can lead > its members to > > salvation." (The Masters Church, Course A, Mormon > Sunday school text.) > > > > Have we established that unless I join the LDS > Church i can not be saved? > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dave Hansen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.langlitz.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > If you wish to receive > things I find interesting, > I maintain six email lists... > JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, > STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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