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I have no idea what you are talking about Bill.
First you might define what you mean by "hermeneutical criteria"
and then tell me how I hold your feet to the fire and
excuse myself, because to me this is nothing but an unfounded accusation.
You say there is no such thing as "spiritual death". I say there is and it
is right under your nose in the
book of Genesis. Why not deal with the
facts? Just throwing out accusation solves nothing.
Peace to you, Judy. We have been down this road
before. I was just checking to see if you had the integrity to hold your own
feet to the fire by employing the same hermeneutical criteria toward yourself
that you do against those whose beliefs differ from your own. No surprises
here, you don't. Bill
O poor poor John,
If it will make you feel better, I will go so
far as to say that there is no explicit scriptural support for the idea of
"spiritual death." This idea came to us via the wake of the
Augustine-v-Palagius controversy.
Not so Bill, the book of
Genesis was written way before the Augustine v Pelagius controversy and
this is where the idea of "spiritual death" comes from. God said "In
the day A&E ate they would SURELY die" Are you saying He lied
and they didn't die that day?
In fact I also know that Judy, if she is
going to be consistent, will have to agree with me on this one,
although on different grounds; and this because she is so insistent
on pointing out that since there is no explicit language stating that
Jesus is the "eternal Son," he therefore cannot be the eternal Son. To use
her line of argumentation (against her, in this instance:>) there
cannot be any such thing as "spiritual death" since there is no such
explicit language in Scripture.
Do you need everything spelled
out for you Bill? Just how did they die THAT DAY - Adam did not die
physically until 960yrs later?
Even though we do not all affirm your view
concerning a lack of a fallen nature, there are at least a couple of us
who will affirm the absence of a concept of "spiritual death" in the
biblical narrative.
Now, does that make you feel better?
Bill
I sure hope not because a false
peace is much worse than no peace. judyt
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005
6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Whose
Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?
In a message dated 1/10/2005 11:55:01 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
jt: Unscriptural John. How did he get born saved
since everyone is born into a "fallen creation" (sin) in the first
Adam. The scriptures teach that God saw us in Christ before the
foundation of the world (Eph 1:4) and everyone's name was written in
the Lamb's Book of Life at the beginning because Jesus was the lamb
slain before the foundation of the world. However, this does not
negate the fall nor does it insure salvation unless one keeps their
name from being blotted out. The soul that sinneth, it shall
die. Is an eternal truth So rather than get so tangled up with saved,
not saved, saved, not saved. Wouldn't we be wiser to learn what God
call's sin and stop doing it?
I stand alone on this
"fallen nature thing, " I know. The write -
wongers (nothing wrong with being a write winger
---------- and no, I did not misspell. A right
winger who joins a list such as this truly is, becomes a write
winger --------------- thank you very
much) start bouncing and my friends, out of respect no doubt, become
painfully silent ( know exactly what that means
!! you can't fool little old Johnny)
Oh, by
the way,
A left winger who joins a list such as this truly is
becomes a TEACHER. he ha.
But I digress.
Judy -- there is no fallen nature. God just
isn't done with us yet. Adam and his Seventh Rib are completed by
the same Christ you and I are. It has ALWAYS been that way,
since before the foundations of the world.
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Is an eternal truth
So rather than get so tangled up with saved, not saved, saved, not
saved. Wouldn't we be wiser to learn what God call's sin and stop doing
it? Judy
!!!! The soul that sinneth, it shall die
-- is not a true statement for those who are in
Christ. We will be saved -- signed sealed
and delivered per Roimans 8. Get used to it,
Judy. You ARE going to heaven. So am
I. I just hope we don't live on the same block, ya know what
I am saying ??
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