Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

[Dave Hansen]

DAVEH:  Kevin......It is difficult for me to follow all you've been posting today.  Do you really want to have a discussion, or are you just posting a bunch of stuff for the fun of it?     As I see it, you want to discuss LDS related things with me from the nature (in general) of your questions.  You've got a few question marks and lots of statements, some of which blend into other stuff posted by Blaine, Slade, Perry and me, as far as I can see.  In short....I have a lot of trouble keeping up with you.      Furthermore, you seem to just ignore the questions already on the board.  I asked you a few days ago about whether or not you think Jesus has a physical body of flesh and bone today, yet I haven't seen your answer on that yet.  Since it pertains to some of what you posted below, it seems prudent that we get that question out of the way before we try to proceed to some of these others.....don't you agree?     As you probably know...I believe Jesus currently is a God and possesses a spirit body clothed with a physical body of flesh and bone.  What do you believe about it, Kevin???     Once you answer that, then can you ask me just one or two questions with which we can stay on track?  I think that will lead to a more meaningful discussion....IF that is your intent.  If instead, you wish to just berate my beliefs....then continuing with this wild assortment of accusations will not benefit either of us.     The other day, you gave me your definition of Christian, and I thought that might be an indicator that we could have some meaningful exchanges in the future.   I hope that is your goal too....but I'm not too sure.    So....Where do you want to go from here, Kevin?  If intend to encourage me to lurk for awhile....the choice is yours.... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ DAVEH: Therein is the problem, Perry. You aren't misleading me.....you are misleading others who believe your sources are accurate Who's misleading who? Please provide an example of inaccuracy or one bad source Please provide some accurate sources. Are the LDS Standard works accurate? LDS Teaching manuals at www.lds.org?   By the way Joe said: There are three gods: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p 370, 372    "I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Spirit was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and THREE GODS.  Joseph Smith. Documentary History of the Church. 6:474, June 16, 1844   There are many gods, Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.   There is a mother god, Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NO does not make me MEAN   It is the LDS Prophets who claim to speak as the "mouth of God" Who say that DaveH is not a true Mormon. He must sustain them or else this is his fate as per the LDS leadership. It is they who define Mormonism. Dave defines daveISM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Kevin Deegan wrote: So you sustain the Prophet in all things? Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: He's already said he doesn't believe EVERYTHING his church may have as doctrine. DAVEH:  ???  Are you referring to me, Kevin?  When did I say I didn't believe EVERYTHING his church may have as doctrine?  I do not recall saying that at all.  You are the second TTer to say such, and I prefer that you do not perpetrate the myth.  IF I said it, please quote where I did so.  Otherwise.....please do not attribute things I said that I didn't.      FTR......At the moment, I can't think of anything LDS theology teaches that I do not believe.  And, if there has been anything (LDS) in the past I've not accepted, I cannot remember what it was.  So....IF I said such....jog my memory, Kevin.  Otherwise, I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.  Thank you.   So he is Not a Christian and now we find out he is not Everything a Mormon ought to be.   I guess that puts him in Limbo He is not Christian he is not Mormon He pratcies DaveISM! DAVEH:  If this is the logic you prefer to use to win my allegiance to your way of thinking, Kevin, you may be overestimating my IQ.   As I see it, my claim to Christianity is my faith in Jesus.  While you may persuasively argue to the contrary, I hope you will forgive me for blindly trusting Him.  Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Slade Henson wrote: >I think what matters here is what Dave believes. He's already said he >doesn't believe EVERYTHING his church may have as doctrine. > DAVEH: ??? Though I may have said it, I don't recall doing so. > Does Dave think >he's from some other planet? Why does he think this? Where does it come >from? Does he think J. Smith was a prophet? Why or why not? Do we think he >was a prophet? Why or why not? Why is everyone else answering for Dave about >Mormonism? > DAVEH: Good question, Kay. I think it is the nature of some people to teach rather than listen.....even when what they teach is wrong. > Are these people Mormons? Or quoting what someone else may have >said about Mormons? Someone who may be wrong or have confused something. Why >not ask Dave himself? > > DAVEH: In many cases, it wouldn't matter. They wouldn't believe me anyway. BTW......I'm still not up to par, but I can't stay in bed any longer as my back is aching.....so, I'll try to catch up on some of these posts. >Kay > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.