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Jt asks:'don't you believe it is in the realm of
possibility for David Miller?' NO I DO NOT! However, it could well be that the
text, here and elsewhere, yourself, and David Miller are in possession of an
'objective truth' that eludes me.
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Sent: January 18, 2005 07:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional
Christian theology -- does sham mean anything
Thank you for those thoughts Lance. I use "from what
I understand" in this instance because I am dealing with ppl
in different stages of spiritual growth who may not
see things as I see them. However, I do believe in such a thing
as
objective truth. I do believe that there is a right
and a wrong, a good and an evil. Everything is not "subjective" -
Paul the apostle told the people at Corinth the most
wicked city in the known world to "awake to righteousness and sin not" - Is
this just a play on words? Was he telling them
to do something that was impossible? If the Corinthians were able to do this
don't you believe it is in the realm of possibility for David Miller?
You are wrong about every believer consciously and actively sinning daily in
thought, word, and deed; if this is what is going on then these people (even
those who profess to be following Christ) are deceived ppl who are walking in
unbelief. jt
Jt says: 'from what I understand David to say'
As everyone has access to what David has 'said', IMO this is not the
difficulty that John has. Even you, Judy, have had to qualify by uttering
'from what I understand' thus indicating that you just might be incorrect.
I'd posit a couple of thoughts on this and, related matters:
1. Implicit in every utterance is some version of:'as I see it', in my opinion, 'from what
I understand of the text before me'
2. All speaking of anything is partial and
provisional.
3. David himself may not know how to answer
John's question with the sort of clarity John wants. We did have this
discussion some time ago with, as I recall, the same outcome.
4. David just might consider his approximation
of an answer the 'way of humility'.
5. IMO, IFF David is 'one of us' then, he consciously, actively, sins daily in thought, word and
deed. I am, by inference, saying the same thing of every
believer/non-believer in the cosmos.
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional
Christian theology -- does sham mean anything
John, some people are able to separate
themselves. From what I understand David to say he still gets around
in a flesh body and he
has the same opportunity to sin every day as the
rest of us both physically and emotionally. Are you baiting
him? Is this some kind
of public humiliation?
I don't know why I have to choke this out of David, when his
postings have been very clear on the subject to everyone except
Judy.
Here is the question and we can start the discussion
from this:
David Miller,. do you have
sin in your life to any degree? Consider sins of
omission (knowing to do right but not taking the time or energy to do
it); event sins (such as murder, angry words, adultery ----
this is the "biblical sin" usually referenced in the Message);
sins of the character (pride, selfishness, conceit, envy,
laziness, anger, deceitfullness [different from a deceitful act],
arrogance and the like). A simply one word answer will be sufficient at
this stage.
Let's not speak of temptation,
shall we. Temptation is not sin,
as we all know. Such is a good topic for future
discussion, but not now.
my answer is "yes."
My answer for all on this forum is "yes." What about you,
David? Yes nor no.
Jack D
Smithson
The Webbmeister
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