Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

[Dave Hansen]

Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVE I have read your comments below. You seem to think we are a bad witness. DAVEH:  Did I say that?  I probably don't use witness in quite the same way as you would.  I would probably substitute representative for witness.  But Kevin....I'm just thinking out loud on this, and may well be wrong in my summation.     Maybe you can tell me if street preachers who push the envelope ever pre-consider the effect their actions may have on the non-believers?  I'd like to think that they give careful thought as to how the Lord wants them to preach.   Do you know if they do, Kevin? Here is just a part of exactly what goes on at GC. How do you feel about the LDS HIGH PRIEST who was arrested for Assualt & Battery (a Felony) He accosted a very small man. The High Priest then told on the news how he could have flattened him since he knew Karate     LOL.....sounds like he may be a little mentally unbalanced, eh. My Pastor never acts like that, what gives? High Priest? (striking disqaulifies see Bible) Thugs do not make good priests. How about all the gutter language I have to endure from Priesthood holders coming to thier special meeting? Care to see some R rated video of these "gods in Embryo"?   Now what EXACTLY is the behavior that you are talking about from SP's? DAVEH:    The LDS examples you mentioned above sound in the wrong, if you've described the situation accurately.  (I assume you were there?)   Anyway, there are certainly LDS folks who have failed to act in a Christian manner, and I am not trying to make any excuses for their (bad) behavior.  In fact, it saddens me when I see any Christian acting unChristian like....especially if it is a fellow LDS person behaving as such.   If it would make you feel better, I'll even apologize for their unruly actions, as it is not in keeping with the tenets of the LDS Church, as I understand them.      In viewing the clips you posted of the SPs, it seemed to me that most of the LDS folks were rather calm and reserved as they passed by the shouting SPers.  It did not appear as though any were unruly or agitated to action by what the SPers were saying, or doing.  Yes...I realize that those clips were incomplete, and may not have caught some of the actions you mentioned above.  But....in the general appearance of the situations, there appeared to be relative peace and calmness, which I would think is the way most LDS folks would want it to be. Have you ever been to Gen Conf while we were there? DAVEH:  No.....I've never attended a GC. If not you may be bearing False Witness. DAVEH:  ???   How so, Kevin? As they say "Put up or Shut up" Waiting for the Looooooooong list of vile behavior, lets hear it. DAVEH:  I do not recall in my discussions with you on this ever using the term vile, Kevin.   But.....Since you brought it up, would waving underwear in an effort to embarrass meet your criteria of vile? Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH:   I'm not concerned for the LDS folks, as much as it troubles me how the world perceives Christians treating others who have contrasting beliefs.   I wonder if the street preachers consider the impact they have on Christianity as a whole.  I also ponder how Jesus would view their antics.      I suspect there are a lot of people who judge Christianity on the acts of those they know who may proclaim faith in Jesus, but act in a less than Christian manner.   Have you ever heard non-church folks complain how they know Christians who are hypocrites?   Sometimes we make excuses for them, saying that hypocrites belong in church.  While that may be as good an excuse as we can offer in explanation of a Christian hypocrite's bad behavior, how does one explain to a non Christian the behavior of those Chr istians who attempt to humiliate and denigrate other human beings in an effort to promote their brand of Jesus?  Does that really promote the image of  Jesus' love for us that many Christians want to share with the world?   Seems like a conflicting message to me. David Miller wrote: DAVEH: "from my limited experience, it seems to be the SOP for some street preachers. That's why I am so curious about why some of them go to the lengths they do in decrying the LDS Church during Conference time in SLC twice a year. IF they really understood the Mormon mentality, I can't believe they would use such tactics to try to convert us away from Mormonism. What they do there only drives us closer together, rather than apart." -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.