Perry wrote:
We are given a limited view
of the atonement and covenant via the
scriptures.
Yes. Limited at both ends--encoding and
decoding.
The reality of it to us depends on
whether we trust
the scriptures to be accurate.
Trust is involved, in
the Person who gave them.
That's all for now; brain is pretzelesque. I must resist the urge to write half-cocked.
Debbie
>From: "Debbie
Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To:
[email protected]
>To:
<[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
concept-reality Q
>Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:18:11
-0500
>
>Realities not accessible to the senses. E.g., the reality
we are trying to
>think about when we say "the atonement", or "covenant"
(as bw God and other
>parties). But I'm thinking I may not have given
enough rigorous thought to
>my own questions. Can't do more right
now--back to this
later.
>
>Debbie
>
>
>-----Original
Message-----
>From: Charles Perry Locke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:47 PM
>To:
[email protected]
>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] concept-reality
Q
>
>
>Debbie wrote:
>
> >My questions arising
have to do with learning: How does one know how
>great
> >the
variance is between one's concept and the reality, or which of two
>
>concepts is "closer", especially if it's an abstract
reality?
>
> What is an abstract reality? Can you
give me an example so I will
>understand what you mean? Depending on what
"abstract reality" means, the
>variance may be
unimportant.
>
> >How does one change one's concepts in that
case, if they're all one has
>by
> >which to
>
>think?
>
> I think that we continually test
our concepts against reality ("reality
>check"), and if they fail in some
way, healthy people adjust their concepts
>to more closely match reality.
Unhealthy people attempt to change reality,
>or mitigate the variance by
learning to ignore or simply live with
the
>variance.
>
> I have thought a lot
about the idea of concepts matching reality. I
>refer
>to it as the
"real" world, and our "model" of the world. It seems that he
>more closely
our models match the real world, the easier it is to live, to
>understand
things, to get along with people. The greater the
difference,
>the
>more difficulty life
becomes.
>
>Perry
>
> >
> >Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lance
Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:31 AM
>
> To: [email protected]
> >
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What if Jesus is not God?
> >
>
>
> > We think reality through concepts. The two are
always at variance with
> >one
> >another. IFF you agree with
this formulation then, will you submit
> >questions
> >that
arise from it?
> > ----- Original Message
-----
> > From: Slade Henson
>
> To: [email protected]
>
> Sent: January 20, 2005 05:45
>
> Subject: [TruthTalk] What if Jesus is not
God?
> >
> >
> > This poses
an interesting question. What do you think is the fate of
> >those who
believe Jesus was just a man and not G-d?
> >
>
> -- slade
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Judy Taylor
>
> Sent: Thursday, 20 January, 2005
02.53
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
What is a Christian?
> >
>
> jt: So you just see Mormonism as a
"different church?" Has your
> >mother-in-law renounced the works
of darkness, repented of following
>false
> >gods and left that
system? You are not doing DaveH any favors by the
> >statement
above. His soul is more important than us being 'nice' we need
>
>to
> >call things what they are. If you can't see the problem
then possibly
>you
> >are deceived in this area also John and
need to do your homework. We
>have
> >no authority to
pronounce people "saved" It has to be between them and
>the
>
>Lord. all we can do is point them to "The Way" and encourage them in it
-
> >We
> >can stand in faith for ourselves but until Jesus
declares (at the end)
> >those
> >who belong to him - we speak
presumptuously. jt
>
>
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