RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:37:30 -0800

We can only speculate on MT’s salvation.  We should not fault her good works.  To speculate they were done for wrong reasons is possibly an affront to God, so I won’t go there.  Izzy

 

Matthew 5:16
"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:58 PM
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Evangelism

 

Doubt may occur but when that doubt is in the very existance of god or is continual it sounds like evidence of a problem. Maybe this is evidence of her need for conversion. Some of here doubts may have come from her continued attempts to make herself acceptable to God by her works. Her conscience told her she failed misarably

Martin Luther could never get "peace" from his doubts until he was converted. No matter how hard he tried to appease God Luther could not achieve righteousness apart from the grace of God.

 

MT's own testimony from her mouth seems to be the opposite of Luthers after his conversion "as if the door of heaven was opened" for him.

MT's Good works without conversion is vain.

ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Kevin, We cannot be sure that Mother T was saved, as we cannot see her heart.  I am not one of her disciples or defenders, but I think of her example in working out faith. I realize she had her human faults. How much RCC man made tradition and superstition came between her and the true Christ we cannot know. However we can see her fruit, which was good, and that is what we are told by Jesus to use in judging others.  Doubts do not necessarily mean one does not have faith in Christ to save, but are stepping stones to growing in faith.  But her own words state that she found Christ by ministering to others less fortunate.  Not a bad way to pursue God. Izzy

 

 Matt 25:34"Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, (AE)inherit the kingdom prepared for you (AF)from the foundation of the world.    
   35'For (AG)I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; (AH)I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;    
   36(AI)naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you (AJ)visited Me; (AK)I was in prison, and you came to Me.'    
   37"Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?    
   38'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?    
   39'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'    
   40"(AL)The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, (AM)to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'

I would be disposed to renounce my life rather than my faith.

Faith is a gift of God. Without it there would be no life.  And our work, to be fruitful, and to be all for God, and to be beautiful, has to be built on faithfaith in Christ, who has said, I was hungry, I was naked, I was sick, and I was homeless, and you ministered to me.

We all long for heaven where God is, but we have it in our power to be in heaven with Him right nowto be happy with Him at this very moment. But being happy with Him now means: loving as He loves, helping as He helps, giving as He gives, serving as He serves, rescuing as He rescues, being with Him for all the 24 hours, touching Him in His distressing disguise.

Mother Theresa

 

 

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Mother Teresa????? Did she ever really work out her faith?

 

Mother Teresa wrote in 1958: "My smile is a great cloak that hides a multitude of pains."

 

MT "The damned of hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I feel that God does not want me, that God is not God and that he does not really exist."

 

Rome's daily newspaper Il Messeggero said: "The real Mother Teresa was one who for one year had visions and who for the next 50 had doubts - until her death."

 

  


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Sounds good on the surface, John.  It may even be true for some who are
more dependant than independant.  It certainly would not apply, however,
to the shepherd boy named David who had for company only sheep, nor to John the
Baptist, who lived alone in the wilderness, or to Elija, or to Paul following
his experience on the Damascus road, or to John on the isle of Patmos, or to
Job and many others.



As to personal experience; I enjoy the company of people, especially small
intimate groups, but I prefer being alone much of the time, and find that time
alone to be when I am the most aware of the presence and majesty of my Lord.



Terry



 



Exactly.  There is a time and a place
for everything; for being alone and fellowshipping with Believers.  When I
am alone I meet Him and hear His quiet voice.  When I am with others I
share what I received from Him when I was alone.  When in fellowship I
encounter Christ reflected in each unique piece of each of us, but it is not
the deepest revelation I have of Himthat is always One on one.  



 



Brother Lawrence, the monk who is written
of in The Practice of the Presence of Christ, did not find Him in
community, but when he was an isolated scullery worker; as he quietly worked and
prayed alone.  Mother Teresa did not find Christ in the halls of academia,
but in the faces of the poor unsaved ones to whom she ministered; she found Him
as she worked out her faith.  



 



Heres a test for whether or not we
are onto Truth: has it led us into actually
living in righteousness,
peace and joy in the Holy Spirit?  If that is not how you
would describe your life, go back to the beginning and start over.  Trash
whatever rabbit trails you have been chasing, and get alone with Jesus and His
Word.  Then quietly work out your faith in whatever calling He has given
to you.  Izzy



 



 
 
 
 
  



 

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