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Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Then I misunderstood your post. Thank you for clarifying it, Kevin. DAVEH: Sometimes I have trouble following your thinking. Many times I do not even know if you are posting to me, or to others! I think it may be a reflection on my failing thought process as I age...... :-) DAVEH: Perhaps because you did not ask a question, and I'm too busy to counter every assertion you make. DAVEH: I wasn't looking for a debate, but rather trying to find out what you believe, and why you believe such. I think there is Biblical evidence (Rabbi) to suggest it would have been expected for Jesus to have married. A theologian said..... A Presbyterian minister and professor at the Davis and Elkin College in West Virginia, U.S.A., wrote an article that Jesus must have been married. His article was immediately picked up by other religious newspapers, one of which is reproduced below: ELKINS, W.Va. (Ap) -- Jesus may have been married and the father of children, according to a Presbyterian minister-professor at Davis and Elkins College. The Rev.Dr.William Phipps, writing in the current issue of the Journal of Ecumenical Studies said that failure to marry and reproduce was regarded as a serious sin in Biblical times. If Jesus had been a batchelor, the Rev.Dr.Phipps contends, the Bible would surely contain some record of his being criticized for it. He said Jesus probably wasn't married during the last three years of his life that are recorded in the New Testament but it's logical to infer that he had been married earlier and was a widower. The Rev.Dt.Phipps said that in Greek translations of the Bible there's no difference in the word for "wife" and "woman", and the Bible often mentions Jesus being with a woman. "Under Talmudic law, a man couldn't be considered righteous -- in fact, he couldn't even be considered a complete man -- if he didn't marry and have children," Dr.Phipps writes. "The Talmud asserts very strongly...that it's almost the same as committing murder to not reproduce (Asbury Park Evening Press, Sat., March 22, 1969; also the Christian Beacon, March 27, 1969). ........and again commented....... A Presbyterian minister and professor at the Davis and Elkin College in West Virginia, U.S.A., wrote an article that Jesus must have been married. His article was immediately picked up by other religious newspapers, one of which is reproduced below: ELKINS, W.Va. (Ap) -- Jesus may have been married and the father of children, according to a Presbyterian minister-professor at Davis and Elkins College. The Rev.Dr.William Phipps, writing in the current issue of the Journal of Ecumenical Studies said that failure to marry and reproduce was regarded as a serious sin in Biblical times. If Jesus had been a batchelor, the Rev.Dr.Phipps contends, the Bible would surely contain some record of his being criticized for it. He said Jesus probably wasn't married during the last three years of his life that are recorded in the New Testament but it's logical to infer that he had been married earlier and was a widower. The Rev.Dt.Phipps said that in Greek translations of the Bible there's no difference in the word for "wife" and "woman", and the Bible often mentions Jesus being with a woman. "Under Talmudic law, a man couldn't be considered righteous -- in fact, he couldn't even be considered a complete man -- if he didn't marry and have children," Dr.Phipps writes. "The Talmud asserts very strongly...that it's almost the same as committing murder to not reproduce (Asbury Park Evening Press, Sat., March 22, 1969; also the Christian Beacon, March 27, 1969). ..........Then there are the apocryphal accounts that lend credence..... Recent manuscripts found in Qumran and other excavations have introduced further information to substantiate Christ's marriage. In the Gospel According to Thomas there are significant references to the marriage of Jesus: Logion 22: "...They (the disciples) said to Him: Shall we then, being children, enter the Kingdom? Jesus said to them: When you make the two one (one flesh -- or marriage) and when you make the inner as the outer...and when you make the male and the female into a single one (married), so that the male will not be male and the female (not) be female,...then you shall enter (the Kingdom)". Logion 114: "Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go out from among us, because women are not worthy of the Life. Jesus said: See, I shall lead her, so that I will make her male (one in marriage) that she too may become a living spirit, resembling you males. For every woman who makes herself male will enter the Kingdom of Heaven" (The Gospel According to Thomas, p.57. Coptic text established and translated by A. Guillaumont, 1959. The New Covenant Church has made a fresh translation of the Gospel of Thomas with prophetic commentary). And in another apocryphal manuscript called the Gospel of Philip: Logion 32: "There were three who walked with the Lord at all times, Mary his mother and (his) sister, and Magdelane, whom they called his consort (Consort = a husband or wife (The World Book Encyclopaedia Dictionary, 1966)). For Mary was (the name of) his sister, and his mother, and his consort." Logion 55: "The Sophia whom they call barren is the mother of the angels. And the consort of (Christ is) Mary Magdalene. (The Lord loved Mary) more than (all) the disciples, and kissed her on her (mouth) often. The others too...they said to him, "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Saviour answered and said to them, "Why do I not love you like her? (In the commentary of this book, Dr. Wilson quotes Peter as saying: "We know that the Saviour loved you more than other women" ((referring to Mary Magdalene). And he quotes Levi as saying: "He loved her more than us.")" (The Gospel of Philip, pp.35 & 39-40. Translated from the Coptic text, with an Introduction and Commentary by R.McL.Wilson, B.D., Ph.D., London, 1962.). ......... DAVEH: Let's review some of the passages suggesting marriage is good for man...... And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone...... Gen 2:18 .......and...... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 1Cor 11:11-12 .....and let's not forget that...... Marriage is honourable in all,...... Heb 13:4 .......and I'm sure you will not forget the command that a bishop must be....... ....the husband of one wife....... 1Tim 3:1 ........do you suppose that would apply to Jesus as well, Kevin? :-) DAVEH: Perhaps the Bible is incomplete. I believe there are some apocryphal accounts suggesting such. DAVEH: Hmmmm......you are making it sound like marriage is not of God, and that it is sinful. But....I don't want to put words in your mouth. Do you believe marriage is ordained of God, Kevin? DAVEH: Rather than just take a single word snip of what was said, let's complete the thought...... .........Shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. .......Do you consider this to be a commandment, Kevin? And.....do you suppose this command would apply to Jesus as well? If he came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law.....would that not be a reasonable argument to suppose marriage would not be unlikely for our Saviour?
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