Bill wrote: > David, you bemoan the fact that you > can't keep a moderator.
I don't recall bemoaning this. I've simply asked for volunteers. I bemoan the idea of running the list without a moderator. Bill wrote: > But no more than get one and you start > undermining his authority. I do not believe that I am undermining the moderator's authority. He has not reprimanded anyone and I am not countermanding him. He asked us to discuss Izzy's post. Are you saying now that we are not suppose to discuss what we think about her post when Gary invited us to do this very thing? To refresh your memory, following is what Gary wrote: >> you (and anybody else interested) have an opportunity, >> now, to counter the assumptions you see in the comments, >> ideas above; a debate, for whatever reason/s, on ad >> hominem towards its ultimate clarification and meaning is >> fine, please speak your piece now, publically please, and >> peacefully Bill wrote: > Please, either back your man or correspond with him > in private when you think he's misappropriated > himself. I have corresponded with Gary privately and he has declined to discuss this with me over the phone, despite me expressing my desire to discuss this with him ASAP. Gary has asked me to be patient, and I suppose we all should be patient and see if what he is doing works itself out. Gary requested a few weeks to a month to see if we will be happy with his style of moderating. This is the time frame in which I am working with him. I'm just trying to comply with his style and what he has asked us to do. Thus far, I have not seen any reprimand for him, which means his posts are open to discussion. I also note a very direct request for any of us to discuss whether or not Izzy's post was an ad hominem argument. Izzy's post fails the ad hominem argument on many fronts. She was not speaking to a Mormon, but to Lance. If she was committing the ad hominem fallacy, she would have derided Lance. She did not. The thread concerned his suggestion that people do not leave their positions or change their mind. She was giving some Biblical support to this idea by pointing out how Jesus warned not to cast pearls before swine, and she suggested that "hardened Mormons" might fit this category. Such would suggest that there might be a time when the Street Preachers should quit their evangelical efforts there. These are all valid points. Now Gary might want to proceed upon the idea of being more open to Mormons and being nicer to them. Gary might want to argue that hardened Mormons do not qualify to be called swine. All of this is acceptable dialogue on TruthTalk, but so is the contrary arguments. In my opinion, Izzy did not commit an ad hominem argument in her post. If you or Gary or anyone else thinks she did, make your case. That is what Gary has invited us to do. The subject line above will suit this purpose fine. Those not interested in this kind of dialogue can skip the posts with this subject line in it. So Bill, might I ask you to support your moderator and enter into the discussion? Can you explain how Izzy's post is an ad hominem argument? I believe that this is what Gary wants us to do, but if I am wrong, hopefully he will post and tell us all that I am misunderstanding him. Peace be with you. David Miller. p.s. Following is the post under question: ----------------------- Feb. 3, 2005 9:18 am ----------------------- Lance wrote: Do you all realize how unlikely it is, naturally speaking, that persons occupying a faith tradition antithetical to yours will ever leave it? My goodness, just look at the conversations BETWEEN 'professing' believers. Some put forward skilled and articulate arguments for ...(whatever). When did you last see someone respond with, 'by jove I believe I'll change my mind on this!'? It hasn't happened and it ain't gonna happen. Izzy responded: At some point SP's efforts to evangelize hardened mormons are violating Jesus commandment below. They shouldn't be surprised when they are torn to pieces. Izzy Matthew 7:6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
