I said what I wanted to say, David. Bill
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ad Hom Farce > Bill wrote: > > David, you bemoan the fact that you > > can't keep a moderator. > > I don't recall bemoaning this. I've simply asked for volunteers. I bemoan > the idea of running the list without a moderator. > > Bill wrote: > > But no more than get one and you start > > undermining his authority. > > I do not believe that I am undermining the moderator's authority. He has > not reprimanded anyone and I am not countermanding him. He asked us to > discuss Izzy's post. Are you saying now that we are not suppose to discuss > what we think about her post when Gary invited us to do this very thing? > > To refresh your memory, following is what Gary wrote: > >> you (and anybody else interested) have an opportunity, > >> now, to counter the assumptions you see in the comments, > >> ideas above; a debate, for whatever reason/s, on ad > >> hominem towards its ultimate clarification and meaning is > >> fine, please speak your piece now, publically please, and > >> peacefully > > Bill wrote: > > Please, either back your man or correspond with him > > in private when you think he's misappropriated > > himself. > > I have corresponded with Gary privately and he has declined to discuss this > with me over the phone, despite me expressing my desire to discuss this with > him ASAP. Gary has asked me to be patient, and I suppose we all should be > patient and see if what he is doing works itself out. Gary requested a few > weeks to a month to see if we will be happy with his style of moderating. > This is the time frame in which I am working with him. I'm just trying to > comply with his style and what he has asked us to do. Thus far, I have not > seen any reprimand for him, which means his posts are open to discussion. I > also note a very direct request for any of us to discuss whether or not > Izzy's post was an ad hominem argument. > > Izzy's post fails the ad hominem argument on many fronts. She was not > speaking to a Mormon, but to Lance. If she was committing the ad hominem > fallacy, she would have derided Lance. She did not. The thread concerned > his suggestion that people do not leave their positions or change their > mind. She was giving some Biblical support to this idea by pointing out how > Jesus warned not to cast pearls before swine, and she suggested that > "hardened Mormons" might fit this category. Such would suggest that there > might be a time when the Street Preachers should quit their evangelical > efforts there. These are all valid points. > > Now Gary might want to proceed upon the idea of being more open to Mormons > and being nicer to them. Gary might want to argue that hardened Mormons do > not qualify to be called swine. All of this is acceptable dialogue on > TruthTalk, but so is the contrary arguments. In my opinion, Izzy did not > commit an ad hominem argument in her post. If you or Gary or anyone else > thinks she did, make your case. That is what Gary has invited us to do. > The subject line above will suit this purpose fine. Those not interested in > this kind of dialogue can skip the posts with this subject line in it. > > So Bill, might I ask you to support your moderator and enter into the > discussion? Can you explain how Izzy's post is an ad hominem argument? I > believe that this is what Gary wants us to do, but if I am wrong, hopefully > he will post and tell us all that I am misunderstanding him. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > p.s. Following is the post under question: > ----------------------- > Feb. 3, 2005 9:18 am > ----------------------- > Lance wrote: > Do you all realize how unlikely it is, naturally speaking, that persons > occupying a faith tradition antithetical to yours will ever leave it? My > goodness, just look at the conversations BETWEEN 'professing' believers. > Some put forward skilled and articulate arguments for ...(whatever). When > did you last see someone respond with, 'by jove I believe I'll change my > mind on this!'? It hasn't happened and it ain't gonna happen. > > Izzy responded: > At some point SP's efforts to evangelize hardened mormons are violating > Jesus commandment below. They shouldn't be surprised when they are torn to > pieces. Izzy > > Matthew 7:6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls > before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear > you to pieces. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
