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I concur with Dave on this point. Well
said.
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Sent: February 05, 2005 12:03
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in
Evangelism
DAVEH: My latest response is in
RED.......
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVE SAYS So I don't understand why Perry doesn't accept
prayer as my answer to his question.
Because
FAITH COMES BY HEARING & HEARING BY THE
WORD OF GOD
ROM 10 How then shall they call on him in
whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they
have not heard? and how shall they hear without a
preacher?
And how shall they preach, except they be
sent? DAVEH:
Interestingly, Perry's original question was directed to Blaine as to how he
thought Mormons should be evangelized. I took that to mean he was asking
the opinions of Mormons how they think it would be best to approach them for
evangelizing purposes. SO.....I simply offered my simple opinion as to
what I think is most important....prayer. So again, I fail to
understand why Perry (or you, Kevin) would find my proffered opinion a
problem. If you don't want to hear my opinion, why ask for
it???
I think it may be how little respect you have for the Word of God
and how much respect you have for the WORD of Men. That seems to be the
Mormon Perspective in a nutshell, "as far as it is translated
correctly"
Do you accept Prayer as the only method for the LDS Missionary
force?
Prayer is important DAVEH: I'm glad you recognize that. So....why do you
condemn me for saying such when asked my opinion?
BUT God says Preaching is the WISDOM of God, but foolishness to
them that PERISH!
1 Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God
the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to
save them that believe.
1 CO 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto
us which are saved it is the power of God.
What is foolish to you is a SIGN that you are One who will
PERISH. No one on TT wants to see you face that fate!
2 Pt 1 Knowing this first, that no prophecy
of the scripture is of any private
interpretation For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of
man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy
Ghost.
One might ponder how the Lord would want you to respond, to His
Word. DAVEH: Perhaps he
would want me to remember the advice he gave his disciples as related in Luke
6:28
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Kevin
Deegan wrote:
Answer the question and stop
diverting. DAVEH: I answered Perry's
original question with what I consider the best way to evangelize
(Mormons)......PRAYER. My answer remains the same. That
there may not be satisfactory Biblical evidence to satisfy Perry is not my
problem. As I quoted Js 1:5, to me seeking the Lord's help in any
endeavor lacking wisdom is the best approach. While the Bible may
not explicitly spell out that prayer is important to bringing people to
faith, I think both you and Perry have suggested that praying for those
you wish to come to faith is useful. So I don't understand why
Perry doesn't accept prayer as my answer to his question.
Just why does he (and presumably you, Kevin) think prayer is important if
you fellows did not come to that conclusion through your study of the
Bible???
It seems to me that Perry wanted
a Mormon's perspective, but does not appreciate that LDS folks are
attracted to those aspects of religion that compliment their beliefs, and
are repulsed by tactics that seem not to be respect others' beliefs.
That's why I don't think head-on confrontational (underwear waving) street
preaching is the best way to evangelize Mormons. Nor do I believe
confrontational antics convey a positive Christian message to non
Christians. One might ponder how the Lord would want his
representatives to behave.
If you had any actual first hand evidence of the thigs that
you tell tales about, THEN:
You would know we never use Bull Horns at GC They are not
allowed nor do we need them when the crowd is but a few feet
away.Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Charles
Perry Locke wrote:
G,
My question to Blaine was in response
to his knocking SP's, particularly those at the LDS GC and their
methods. I thought it would be interesting to find out what he
thinks would be the best way to evangelize Mormons. While sending
out missionaries two by may two work in peoples homes, it is not
practical in a public open-air setting. Dave brought up prayer and
bullhorns. Prayer is not how the Bible tells us
people come to faith. While I believe tht praying for those
you wish to come to faith is useful, Paul tells us that preaching is
the way people hear the word of God. Paul made good on this himself,
as did most of the Aposles. As for bullhorns, I must agree that if
someone came into my house with a bullhorn and began to preach, I
would not like it. But, if they needed to be heard over background
noise, hecklers, or other noise in an outdoor setting, I thi nk
bullhorns are a good tool.
DAVEH: But you do
agree.....
Bullhorns are not how the Bible
tells us people come to faith.
..........don't
you? If so, Perry....why would you criticize my answer of
prayer, and not criticize the SP's use of bullhorns?
Perry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism
Date: Wed, 2
Feb 2005 16:28:38 -0700
there are *evangelical
approaches to evangelizing* on which not all
evangelicals are
agreeing, so what is *evangelical evangelizing*?
..also,
how many street preachers involved in the SLC events discussed on
TT are evangelical/s?
e.g., what about Kevin's
position on 'evangelicals'; maybe he prefers to
be understood
in a non-evangelical category
..well, ftr perhaps Perry
would delve into the background of his question
to BB,
below(?)
also, ppl like Kevin, perhaps other street pre
achers, too, will want to
distinguish themselves on this
underlying issue--we'll see
G
On Wed, 02 Feb
2005 07:09:34 -0800 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
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> DAVEH: Perry, I assume
your reply means you really are not looking
> for an answer
to your question posed at the very bottom[*]..to know how
> to *evangelize* Mormons.
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[*]>>>>>>Blaine, please tell us what
*evangelical approach* would
>>>>>>>work
best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference.
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