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The Pope, a kin of mine? Yes. Might I ask the
same of Izzie, Judy, David, the assembled Mormons, Gary, John, Bill, Terry,
Kevin, Dave and, any 'lurkers' who'd care to speak to this.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: February 07, 2005 07:28
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Basis of
Unity
No Brothers of mine maybe yours!
The Pope has been called his Hellishness & AntiChrist for good
reason
Maybe a few who call themselves Evangelical (ECT) and the Nothingarians
would speak of this ANTI Christ as a Brother.
You are wrong concerning Bruce Cockburn and the
Pope as THEY ARE YOUR BROTHERS IN CHRIST. IFF you are a believer then, you
have no choice in this matter.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: February 06, 2005 17:28
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Basis of
Unity
UNITY IN THE FAITH
The Key here is "in the faith" not outside it or by
bringing the world the Flesh & the Devil in
That seems to be todays popular notion of Unity.
How else can we have Unity with Pagan notions? There is a Biblical
doctrine of separation, it is not popular. We are not to be yoked with
unbelievers.
I care not to have Unity with Bruce Cockburn, the
POPE, LDS & every false way
Walter Cradock was a Welsh Nonconformist preacher or Puritan who was
decried by his enemies as a "Bold, Ignorant Fellow"
God, as it were, keeps silence in the midst of the
greatest troubles, that he may, as it were, gather the wicked
into one faggot, into one bundle, that they may be destroyed
together. There is a great deal of ado to "gather the
saints" in this world; and truly there is some ado to gather the
wicked. So God withdraws himself from his people, yet he hath a
hook within their hearts, he holds them up secretly by his Spirit,
that they shall not leave him; yet the world shall not see but that God
hath quite left them, and all their ordinances and his gospel and
everything; and there the wicked come together and insult, whereby
God may come upon them at once, and destroy them, as we find ten
nations in the Psalm. And so in Genesis God stirs up the nations against
Abraham and his posterity, and there are ten nations that God promised to
cut off before Abraham at once, the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the
Canaanites, etc. So God heaps them together, and burns them like
stubble. Those that burn stubble have rakes, and they gather it
to heaps, and then they fire it. This is the way of God's
keeping silence among his people, and sitting still in the
midst of their miseries, thus God gathers their enemies in heaps as
stubble, that he may burn them together. Gualter (Walter) Cradock, in
"Divine Drops."
Judy Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Who is Walter Cradock? I agree that 'peace at
any price' is no peace at all so division is not always a bad thing.
However, we are supposed to grow out of it
(that's if we are part of the real Church); contrary to what some claim we are not
just sucked up into Christ because we have not refused the incarnation.
The work of the ministry (including
evangelists) is necessary to prepare God's ppl for works of service so
that the body of Christ may be built up until
we all reach UNITY IN THE FAITH and (UNITY) IN
THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SON OF GOD and become mature, attaining to the
whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back
and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men
in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow
up INTO HIM who is the Head, that is Christ. From him the whole
body, joined and held together by every
supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part
does its work.
Do you have a problem with any of
the above Kevin? judyt
"It is better to have divisions than an evil uniformity." Walter
Cradock Judy Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In a message dated 2/5/2005 9:56:11
AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: There is no strife
or disunity in Christ and He is not divided
JD: On the surface,
this is untrue.
jt: Had you ever considered that
maybe what we see 'on the surface' is not the
reality?
But, perhaps I do not know what
you mean with the phrase "no stife or disunity in
Christ."
jt: It means just what it says - the Church he is
coming for will have no spot, wrinkle, or blemish; wouldn't you
categorize strife and
disunity as wrinkles and
blemishes?.
When can we say unity has occurred?
jt: When we are of one heart and one
mind. When we are all say the same thing and doing what He
says.
When a division occurs and assuming one
believer in definitely in Christ -- how does the
onlooker tell the difference in the two opponents?
jt: Eventually, as ppl grow into Christ
and His love is perfected in their hearts a wolf will be exposed
in spite of the sheepskin by
what is coming out of his
mouth.
In I Cor 1, when
ones describes as a part of the problem are in Christ?
John
jt: Is the above a question? I
don't get it....
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