Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

[Kevin Deegan]

JOHN If and when the Mormons let down their guard, so to speak  --   the moment they become open to meaningful dialogue,  that is the time when God will work His will on all parties involved in the dialogue.   it may take 20 years or 100  --   but it will happen.   God is always working His ministry of reconciliation 

 

Reconciled, Just like the Moabites, Jebusites, Hittites, Amorites & others before them!

Got any for neighbors? God Reconciled them right off the map.

JOHN  absolutely nothing in those articles was worthy of reproach.

Since we do not know which articles you read we can not comment on them

Mouw said "In just a month and a half we will greet the year 2005, which marks the 200th anniversary of the birth of Joseph Smith. During this year there will be many occasions to pay special attention to Joseph's life and teachings, and I hope many in the evangelical community will take part in those events."

Will you be there? Will you worship with them too?

 

You try to spin it as if there is no furor in the Evangelical community over Mouw

Pastors Missionaries and other Christian workers are very upset but not the Mormons they love it.

Here are just a few articles

I am sure you are aware of what Mouw said you read it right?

Or are you exposing the same kind of ignorance of the facts as Mouw did?

These are harcly statements Mouw would like on his reume.

 

http://www.aomin.org/index.php?catid=5&blogid=1

 he had just been used, hopefully unwittingly, by LDS apologists so as to provide to them the very kind of weapon they long for. And I didn't have to wait long for the fulfillment of my prophecy. Today I read a review of Douglas E. Cowan's Bearing False Witness?

 

http://www.aomin.org/index.php?query=mouw&amount=0&blogid=1 Mouw has surely been shown to have completely abandoned any semblance of meaningful scholarship in his study of LDS theology, that is for certain. Meanwhile, Paul Owen attempted to defend his own role in the controversy (he was defending the idea of seeing BYU profs as the new leaders of Mormonism before Mouw ever got involved) over at Reformed Catholicism.com

 

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/9927 But his remarks didn't sit well with some conservative evangelicals, a few of whom have posted lengthy responses to his published text on their own Web sites and have encouraged others to make their displeasure known to Mouw.

As the backlash began following his speech, Mouw, who is also a columnist for Beliefnet.com, a nondenominational Web site, allowed the text of his remarks to be posted there with an explanation of the background for the meeting in Salt Lake City.

"(Mouw) was wrong," the story quoted the Rev. Gray as saying. "He had no business"

 

 

http://www.mrm.org/multimedia/text/richard-mouw.html In essence, Dr. Mouw's unqualified comments gave Mormons all they wanted to hear, which is the idea that Christian evangelicals have been lying about them all along and now an evangelical leader is admitting it. I know from the mail we have received at MRM that this is exactly how Mormons are interpreting his comments.

http://getnewhope.blogs.com/personal_trainer/2004/11/mouw_and_mormon.html When he said this I turned to my friend Bill and said, "Is Fuller seminary going liberal?" Bill's _expression_ to me was one of disbelief at Dr. Mouw's words.  It is very unfortunate.  Bill later wrote an email that he sent to all on his ministry's email list.

http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles%20Jan05/Art_Jan05_oped1.html Sadly, because of some unfortunate comments made by Dr. Richard Mouw, who is the president of Fuller Seminary, much of the attention has turned away from what Dr. Zacharias actually said. Dr. Mouw used his brief talk to give a broad-brush apology for the way evangelicals have treated Mormons in the past.

http://www.aaronandstacia.com/aaron/sly-eh/ [M]ake friends with Mormon scholars by shooting in the head all those who have ministered to Mormons for years before you. A rather liberal evangelical scholar, president of a rather liberal evangelical seminary, has become acquainted with some rather liberal (in the LDS spectrum of things) LDS scholars. As a result of this interaction, he has joined other evangelicals in speaking in the LDS tabernacle Despite having little or no first hand knowledge of LDS theology proper, let alone knowledge gained from the practical interaction that comes with doing apologetics on a regular basis over time, Dr. Mouw has chosen to denigrate, based upon his own ignorance of the issue, all of those who have sacrificed and ministered in the preceding years and decades to seek to bring the gospel to that very same city and to the very audience to whom he was speaking��

An Open Letter to Ravi Zacharias - Bud Press, Christian Research Service

"We Have Sinned Against You" - Richard Mouw

Fuller President Apologizes to Mormons in Error - Dr. James White, Alpha & Omega Ministries

The Sellout Has Begun - Dr. Robert Morey

Seminary President Apologizes for Christians Evangelizing the Mormons - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason

Dialogue or a Widening of the Road? - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason

Is Dr. Richard Mouw Bearing False Witness? - EMNR (USA), Dec. 1, 2004 (Press Release)

Evangelist in Brigham Young's Court - James A. Beverly in Salt Lake City

Seminary President Apologizes To Mormons - Dave Hunt and T.A. McMahon, Religion in the News, The Berean Call

Seminary President Responds to Criticism - Dave Hunt and T.A. McMahon, Religion in the News, The Berean Call

A "Mouwtainous" Mistake - Keith Walker, Evidence Ministries

Evangelicals and Mormons Together? - James E. Bradley

Evangelical Seminary's Outreach To Mormons Does Not Bridge The Gap - Rob Sivulka

An Appeal For Authentic Evangelical-Mormon Dialogue - Ronald V. Huggins, Th.D., Assistant Professor of Theological & Historical Studies, Salt Lake Theological Seminary

Christians & The Church of the Latter Day Saints - David Lister, Moriel Ministries

Commentary on Ravi Zacharias' visit to Salt Lake City - MormonInfo.org

Questions For Ravi Zacharias - Bud Press, Christian Research Service

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In a message dated 2/9/2005 8:45:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Oh, and your statement above seems to me to have much in common with David's response to g, concerning tolerance and its right place in the church and our Lord's economy.
 

Me and David on the same page  ????????????????????       Seriously, I am enjoying the comments of you both  (Taylor and Miller) on this most recent subject.   Regarding Dr Mouw  --  I have read several articles written by him concerning his efforts with the Mormon Church    ---     absolutely nothing in those articles was worthy of reproach.   The only way a church or religion can remain truly separate and apart is to act that way.   If and when the Mormons let down their guard, so to speak  --   the moment they become open to meaningful dialogue,  that is the time when God will work His will on all parties involved in the dialogue.   it may take 20 years or 100  --   but it will happen.   God is always working His ministry of reconciliation   ------------------    that is why He has invited us to participate. 

John

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