[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/14/2005 5:21:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
Bill wrote:
      
... he said that he was also speaking of
people who have those tendencies but
are not acting on them.
        

Nevertheless, I also will point out that 1 Cor. 6:9 condemns the effeminate 
      
right along with adulterers and homosexuals.  Would you consider the 
effeminate to be perverts?

      
David Miller. 
      

Here is one thing that I do know........homosexuality [the NT word for, 
aaaaaaaaaahhhhhh, homosexuality]  is one of 26 sins listed in Romans 1.    And the 
point of Romans 1?   Does the phrase " and such are some of you"  ring any 
bells?   Envy and disobeying our parents are just as bad as 
homosexuality........................... same list, same ultimate conclusion.  

I actually believe that if we are given to confession  [i.e.  "if we keep on 
confessing .. " ] , two things happen;  (1) we are finally honest enough with 
ourselves to admit that continual confession necessarily means continuing sin 
issues AND  (2)  He is faithful and just to keep on cleansing us  !!!   The 
kid who gets heated up with this particular lust,  needs to confess and 
continually focus on the restorative grace of His God in Christ.   He, nor anyone, 
must stop sinning to be saved.   taking on the new nature will solve a lot of sin 
problems    ------    but those sins that so easily beset us ????   They  MAY 
take a lifetime to overcome.    

You think this to be a soft and permissive gospel?   Try preaching it.   
Nothing permissive about.   In dealing with those who are not miraculously 
redeemed from their sin,  the only process is that which I have referred to above   
------------    it is true for us all.   And, so, when that kid "stumbles and 
falls,"  he is called to return to His faith  --  to hide in it.   Do you know 
how many continue in this "permissive gospel?"  Next to none.  And why is 
that?  BECAUSE IT IS NOT PERMISSIVE AT ALL, Enid.   And it is the only gospel we 
have.  And it is the only HOPE we have   ----   to be saved wholly by ANOTHER.  
 

Jd
  
The last line makes sense, John.  We are branches.  We get all we get from the vine.  Salvation comes to the branch via the vine.

 Having pointed that out, let me also say that the branch is then either to produce good fruit or be cut off.  No branch produces good fruit on one twig and bad fruit on the next.
Terry

  

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