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Kevin asks > What scriptures teach this Philosophy?
Now behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus who
was a chief tax collector, and he was rich. And he sought to see who
Jesus was, but could not because of the crowd, for he was of short
stature. So he ran ahead and climbed up into a sycamore tree to see
Him, for He was going to pass that way. And when Jesus came to
the place, He looked up and saw him, and said to him, "Zacchaeus, make haste
and come down, for today I must stay at your house." So he made haste
and came down, and received Him joyfully. But when they saw it,
they all complained, saying, "He has gone to be a guest with a man who
is a sinner." Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord, I
give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone
by false accusation, I restore fourfold." And Jesus said to him, "Today
salvation has come to this house, because he also is a son of
Abraham; "for the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which
was lost." -- Luke 19:2-10 Bill Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
By the way, David, I am not a supporter of the
gay rights movement for the very reasons that you articulate below; however
as a Christian I am committed to treating them with dignity and Christian
charity. I would like to share a story with you from J.B. Torrance's
Worship, Community, and the Triune God of Grace (IVP: Downers
Grove, 1996). I read this and could not get it out of mind; it continues to
shape my thinking in this area:
The Two Hands of God. A colleague of
mine for many years, Roland Walls, lives ... in Roslin village, a few
miles out of Edinburgh. One day I noticed in his garden a piece of
sculpture I had not seen before. He told me about it. A young sculptor,
brought up among the Exclusive Brethren, one day confessed to the
fellowship that he was gay. As a result, he was asked to leave the
Assembly. In his distress, he found his way to the Roslin Community, where
Roland found him on his knees in prayer in the chapel. The young man
poured out his story and unburdened his heart. At the end of their
conversation, Roland simply put his arms around him and gave him a
hug! That hug symbolized everything for the man. He knew he
was loved, accepted, forgiven. He went back, found a block of sandstone
and carved out a figure of the two Adams. They are kneeling, embracing one
another. Christ has his head on the right shoulder of fallen Adam, and
fallen Adam lays his head on the right shoulder of Christ, the second
Adam. The only way in which one can distinguish between the two is by the
nail prints in the hands of Christ. That sculptor saw himself in fallen
Adam, and in that symbolic hug he saw himself accepted in Christ, the
second Adam. There [in that sculpture] one sees in ... Pauline
theology ... -- that what was lost in Adam has been restored in
Christ. ... It is the biblical concept of "the one and the many" -- that
we, the many, can see ourselves accepted by grace in Christ, the one
mediator, who fulfills God's purpose -- to gather together all things in
Christ, the head (anakephalaiosis) -- the doctrine of
"recapitulation" [see e.g., Eph 1.10].
Our job, it seems to me, as Christians
is not to convict people of their sins; that is the work of the Holy Spirit.
Our job is to love them, to accept them, to embrace them, as Roland did the
young man, sinners that they are, that they might know the abounding grace
and forgiveness of their Lord. I am very confident, David, that if we will
content ourselves with doing our part, we shall discover that the Holy
Spirit will have little difficulty in doing his.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:53
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street
Preachers
> In like manner, a homosexual who comes to Christ and no longer
commits
> homosexuality should no
> longer be called a
homosexual. Do you agree?
>
>
> I certainly do, --
AND NEITHER SHOULD HE BE CALLED A FILTHY DISGUSTING
> PERVERT!
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David
Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
<[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:42 PM
>
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Street Preachers
>
>
> > Bill wrote:
> > > The truth is that there are some
who
> > > have these tendencies who have not
> > >
or are no longer acting upon their
> > > sexual desires. Whether
they have
> > > stopped that which was once their
> >
> lifestyle, or they have never acted
> > > upon their
desires in the first place,
> > > the question remains: Why must
they
> > > necessarily be filthy, disgusting perverts?
>
> > I think Paul thought they did not have to
> > > be;
hence his statement: "And such were
> > > some of you. But you
were washed, but
> > > you were sanctified, but you were
justified
> > > in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the
>
> > Spirit of our God."
> >
> > If an adulterer
comes to Christ and no longer commits adultery, do we
> > continue
to call him an adulterer? I think not. In like manner, a
>
> homosexual who comes to Christ and no longer commits homosexuality
should
> no
> > longer be called a homosexual. Do you
agree?
> >
> > The reason this is important is because
there is this HUGE politically
> > correct lie out there that
homosexuals are born that way and that
> homosexual
> >
rights is a civil rights issue. Laws are being changed all over
the
> country
> > to add "sexual orientation" to their
anti-discrimination laws.
> >
> > Homosexuality is defined
by behavior just like the terms adultery and
> > fornication.
If a female becomes born again, she is still a female, and
>
if
> > a black person becomes born again, he is still a black
person, but when a
> > homosexual becomes born again, he is no
longer a homosexual.
> Homosexuality
> > is a sin, but being
female or being black is not. See the difference?
> >
>
> Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
> >
>
>
> > ----------
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grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> know how you ought to answer
every man." (Colossians 4:6)
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